Women of Norrath, what's your experience?

[Danth]

Don't know what Candy Crush is, but a video game is a video game. Doesn't matter if other folks respect the system/format or not. I still play "Atlantis" and other games for the Atari VCS (via emulator) on occasion. That's still a video game too. Think I might start my little daughter out on that system in another year or so. Those old, simplistic games strike me as much better children's games than most modern alternatives.

Guys tend to stereotype women as inept because there historically weren't all that many women gamers, and pretty much all of us have too much bad experience with "Dude X's useless girlfriend." That perception will change over time as more women adopt online gaming, but perception always lags behind reality.

Danth

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't know what Candy Crush is, but a video game is a video game. Doesn't matter if other folks respect the system/format or not. I still play "Atlantis" and other games for the Atari VCS (via emulator) on occasion. That's still a video game too. Think I might start my little daughter out on that system in another year or so. Those old, simplistic games strike me as much better children's games than most modern alternatives.

Guys tend to stereotype women as inept because there historically weren't all that many women gamers, and pretty much all of us have too much bad experience with "Dude X's useless girlfriend." That perception will change over time as more women adopt online gaming, but perception always lags behind reality.

Danth

I think a certain level of interest in games and gaming in general is required for someone to call themselves a gamer. A lot of people play video games, but not all of them are gamers.

[JPMorgan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't know what Candy Crush is, but a video game is a video game.

I think it matters when the claim that nearly half of all gamers are women is being made.

[August]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

<Bunch of unfounded statements>

I could care less how you use your interweb powerz, and/or feel the need to e-defend your wife; however, acting like you were never in the wrong and there was zero justification for the reaction others gave you in a competitive server first guild is just comical. Take off the rose colored glasses.

First, check your history. Pre-TBC non-resto shamans were relegated to PvP. Ele/Enh spec 'raiding' shamans were new in TBC. No way we could have known there needed to be tweaks and that her spec would be 'the worst'.

Second, I'm not going to continue hashing out old drama that is specific to me and your interpretation of it. I get it, you think there was foul play and that she was 'stealing other people's spots they farmed for'. All I can say is, no, she was voted in after i petitioned to change her rank, and that she had 95%+ attendance over 2 years with us.

My whole point was that she carried her weight in every aspect. I'm sorry you don't think she did based on some interpretation of what I said.

[JPMorgan]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First, check your history. Pre-TBC non-resto shamans were relegated to PvP. No way we could have known there needed to be tweaks and that her spec would be 'the worst'.

Common knowledge.

[Duckwalk]

I like the part when you admit enhance shm were face rolling to higher dps and equal utility but defend your girlfriend's desire to play as a flawed, under performing snowflake in your Kara first group at the expense of better geared, more veteran raiders.

Why again weren't people super cool with that?

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Take off the rose colored glasses.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like the part when you admit enhance shm were face rolling to higher dps and equal utility but defend your girlfriend's desire to play as a flawed, under performing snowflake in your Kara first group at the expense of better geared, more veteran raiders.

Why again weren't people super cool with that?

Because kara past the first few times you did it was piss easy. Better to bring in people to get gear there who you will most likely never take past gruul/mag. Unless you're a bleeding edge guild it wasn't about the encounters or the mobs, but about the people you ran it with.

[Erica]

First off, there are a lot of people of both genders who suck, are average, and great at games. It seems like if a guy is horrible, they are just remembered as a bad player. If a woman is horrible, they are remembered as a bad female player.

People encounter women who either don't want to play or who are doing content they are not good enough for because their boyfriend or husband is getting them to give the game a try. He does the hard content, and she has no idea what is going on. Not necessarily because she sucks at games, but because she is new but is not going through the normal "new" process. I would see this happen on DDO, where the new person should be doing normal to learn the game, not the hardest setting.

Also, another part of the problem with bad players are, guys will sometimes just let women play poorly and stay in the group when those same guys would kick a male player out, or be more harsh on him playing bad. The guy who was told what he is doing wrong and/or booted will be forced to correct their mistakes or stop playing. If the female is playing poorly but you just let her do it, she probably doesn't even realize she is playing poorly. Then she gets to a high level by being carried through the content and other guys who group with them think, "Wow this woman sucks... women are so bad at this game."

As far as free items go, I've never been given more when I was new to a game than I give to random people who need help. I'm sure this happens sometimes, but not often. I think guys have confirmation bias. Some people just think this is the norm when it isn't. The ones who "test" this think someone is being kind to them on their male character, and then their female character is shown this same kindness and "omgz womenz get the free stuffs! I knew it!"

[Ugrask]

Well I think the letting women stick around thing is the whole double standard of if they ridicule her, they'd be sexist etc.(which is stupid, just call someone out on something, offer advice without focusing on gender by derogatory terms etc.)

It's why, while I eventually came to detest my old raid guild, I appreciated the fact everyone was treated the same as far as fuckups go. Everyone got bitched at/sat.

And the items thing, just like everything in life people see one instance of something where someone got something they didn't and boom clouds their whole mindset. That's just people being narrow and greedy, while needing an outlet for frustration.

[Roth]

I have a weird opinion on this thread, I think I'm going to white knight a bit actually. I think some of the posts in this thread have been ridiculously sexist tbh. Honestly when I was younger and to a degree now I wouldn't really trust a female to be good at the game. On average I think male gamers tend to be more hardcore for whatever reason. So I suppose a female has to "prove herself" to me so to speak.

I believe in this thread there were actually some great posts by females that made me respect them quite a bit with how they presented their viewpoints. Very fair and rational posts that express the truth of the situation: there is some sexism, some deserved, some undeserved. However, some of the replies to them were pretty fucking disgusting. You shouldn't call someone a whore just because they're a female... it's just kind of terrible. If this was reversed for whatever reason and a female said in a one line post "all men are sex hungry pigs" it would be pretty offensive.

Idk, I think this notion that "anyone who white knights is just pathetic and looking for sex" has to stop. Some of the things people have said in this thread have been way over the top and someone should call them out, but no one wants to be labeled as a white knight. It's kinda sad when our society has evolved to a point where it's better to trash females and treat them as horribly as possible rather than defend them.

I also didn't really like people discrediting hafu. They kicked her out cause of bad performance then a new team picked her up and beat the old team... to say fuck you to them? What? Think about what you just said and you will see that you are going out of your way to discredit her because she is female. Not all female gamers are good but if one is outstanding at multiple games you have to give them respect, you would respect a male gamer with those kind of results.