Elder Scrolls Online

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ill repeat my question, Is there a point in the game where you stop being in these hermetically sealed PVE bubbles to enter a section of the game, lets call it the true game, where its a large open ended world where you can encounter players from other factions while questing, exploring, etc... Did i miss this true game or it doesnt exist.

No, it's like DAOC in that regard. You don't encounter the enemy factions in the PvE world and as of right now you can't travel to their maps.

This game is a mix of elder scrolls and DAOC, specifically Skyrim and DAOC (and to a lesser extent Skyrim and Rift, although ESO does have rifts now oh I mean anchors). If you liked both games like me you'll probably like this game. The criticisms people have about ESO are generally the same criticisms they'd have about DAOC so I'm thinking they never played it or didn't like it when they did.

The world is open once you reach the main map (which for Daggerfall is Glenumbra). I'm assuming it's not in fact the main map but rather the map containing the home city and the lower level content. There are probably more maps later on for higher levels. We only have access to content up to the low teens; there's 30+ levels of maps and content we are totally unaware of not including Cyrodiil.

You can explore and find quests but you better be the proper level for them because some of them are TOUGH. Not all are tough but some of them make you wonder why they chose such a low recommended level.

I can also almost guarantee that future expansion maps will have all three factions and PvE content mixed together including mixed cities. Tamriel only has so many areas before you start getting into things like different planes and oblivion and whatnot. I personally don't like the factions intermingling (I hated it in WoW) but that seems to be the way these games evolve now.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So youre saying theres actually a point in the game where you get to a large open ended world like we are expecting from an ES game?

Because thats the core of the main criticism about the game

Yeah so there are still restrictions keeping you in place from exploring areas you shouldn't be in, it cannot feasibly scale like an Elder Scrolls game where if you're level 1 you fight a level 1 dragon or whatever. But once you get off the islands and get to your capital city everything begins to open up. You have less direction and you are told where to go along your main faction quest, but you don't have to go there. If they tell you to go North, there are a dozen other things to explore in east/west/south. Do you understand what I mean? Yes it's finite, you can burn through that content, but that doesn't mean you certainly will. I played my character for 24 hours this beta weekend and got to level 13 almost 14 from exploring and doing all the things and I was still missing several areas that I could have explored.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah so there are still restrictions keeping you in place from exploring areas you shouldn't be in, it cannot feasibly scale like an Elder Scrolls game where if you're level 1 you fight a level 1 dragon or whatever. But once you get off the islands and get to your capital city everything begins to open up. You have less direction and you are told where to go along your main faction quest, but you don't have to go there. If they tell you to go North, there are a dozen other things to explore in east/west/south. Do you understand what I mean? Yes it's finite, you can burn through that content, but that doesn't mean you certainly will. I played my character for 24 hours this beta weekend and got to level 13 almost 14 from exploring and doing all the things and I was still missing several areas that I could have explored.

Shadowbane i thought was awesome because of that, because all the world was opened straight off the bat and all sorts of mob camps where available all over the map.

What was stopping them from using this model, which is the ES model anyway (althought since oblivion i think theyve used this sucky autolevel crap) instead of the onrails model.

Its unfortunate but theres a pattern of gaming companies losing sight of their core audiences, water down their gameplay to try to appeal to more people to make more money and it ends in disasters like X-rebirth where the end result is the core audience dislikes it because its way too "simplified" and doesnt appeal to not many people else either.

If i want to play a shitty watered down console game, ill buy a console. Me im sticking to companies who dont get too greedy and try to McOverextend and stick to making good pc games with depth.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shadowbane i thought was awesome because of that, because all the world was opened straight off the bat and all sorts of mob camps where available all over the map.

What was stopping them from using this model, which is the ES model anyway (althought since oblivion i think theyve used this sucky autolevel crap) instead of the onrails model.

Its unfortunate but theres a pattern of gaming companies losing sight of their core audiences, water down their gameplay to try to appeal to more people to make more money and it ends in disasters like X-rebirth where the end result is the core audience dislikes it because its way too "simplified" and doesnt appeal to not many people else either.

If i want to play a shitty watered down console game, ill buy a console. Me im sticking to companies who dont get too greedy and try to McOverextend and stick to making good pc games with depth.

Normally I see concessions to the console crowd in the UI, but I am not really seeing it that much in this game. There are a few wonky things, but over all the UI feels fairly intuitive, especially after doing a few tests. It's different from the usual crowd though.

I don't really think games make concessions to consoles in actual game design, but I could be wrong. Sure, I could play it with a controller, and I did sometimes feel a bit suffocated by the fact that I could only have 5 abilities and an ultimate on my bar but I think it's something I could get used to.

But I cannot agree with people saying it is exactly like World of Warcraft because it is not. There is a sense of mysticism and wonder when I play the game and there hasn't been an MMO that I have beta tested (and I have tested a shitload of fucking games) where I went, "Man, I almost don't want to beta test this because I really just want the actual game to be out." Since probably... World of Warcraft.

[Grubbz]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I cannot agree with people saying it is exactly like World of Warcraft because it is not. There is a sense of mysticism and wonder when I play the game and there hasn't been an MMO that I have beta tested (and I have tested a shitload of fucking games) where I went, "Man, I almost don't want to beta test this because I really just want the actual game to be out." Since probably... World of Warcraft.

I felt the exact same way...

[Grubbz]

Yeah it was hard for me and a friend to play together, we had to keep warping to each other due to the channels being full.

[Tradesonred]

and lol @ no quest hubs

[Grubbz]

^ "More game for me i suppose" lol best quote ever.

[FoxxHound]

If anyone has/gets an extra invite/key; I could totally use one.
Please~

[Grubbz]

Just got the survey filled out, cannot wait to see how they improve an already great game.