Re: Raid Situation

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are 11 mobs outside of VP. 2 of them are level 52-restricted.

They pop on average 4 times a month.

That's 44 raid mobs per month. There are at least 6 tier 2 guilds, and 3 tier 1 guilds - that's being pretty stingy

That's 9 guilds that want to compete for 44 mobs a month. That's approximately 5 mobs per guild.

Do you think it's fair to you that you only get 5 mobs a month for your guild?

Oh, you don't? Well that's fine, but keep in mind that if you take another mob, then someone else only gets 4 mobs a month. How many mobs do you think you deserve? Is it 10 mobs a month? Well then another guild gets 0 mobs a month. Do 4 guilds want 10 mobs a month? Gratz 4 mobs total for the rest of the 5 guilds.

This is an unsolvable problem on an EMU server that's been stale for too long. My numbers may not be accurate (i don't raid here) but that's the actual reality of the situation. A LOT of people can kill the mobs. A LOT of people want mobs. There are a static number of mobs per month.

No one guild can be dominant without severely cutting off access to those mobs to the rest.
No coalition of guilds can exist without everyone getting a very very thin slice of pie.

The solution is more mobs, or people being content with less.

Staff / Development are going to have to solve this problem with a coded solution. We are all arguing with each other to no great effect because the numbers behind all these solutions just don't add up.

You can put tiers on stuff, you can put restrictions on who and what can engage and in what time period, but the end result is straight up numbers.

44 Mobs a month

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by jijii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can you please math us right here, bro?

i just did in a post above, i just expanded on it for loraen in vent, he still disagrees in principle though because he hates math and/or numbers

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[Jarnauga]

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[Nune]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What they really wanted was mobs to be up WHEN they have people on and decide they feel like raiding instead of farming for plat. They never wanted to have to compete even against themselves. Fact is with 24 mobs a month i wouldnt be surprised to see many of these go FFA because no one gathers to kill. Raiders have migrated to raiding guilds long ago.

Its easy to shout and be loud about injustice but i doubt they really want to go raid a mob after it pops. They act like they are forced to step aside but the reality is they don't even show up.

If that were true, I know of 3 "T2" guilds that would be cleaning house on 32k mobs sitting around, available to be raided, and unclaimed. Our guilds grown so much in a month that we pretty much have a raid force on at all times at 5pm+ PST. So if you're working on Nihilium's raid schedule, then ya at 7am there might be some dragons sitting around since most of us are AT WORK (looking at the guild you're in on your sig I feel like I have to note this). Anywhere near a prime time for EST/PST and we'd me smashing shit in. But, look where blind assumptions and entitlement have gotten you now, the #1 guild now just a fractional inclusion in a tier'd raiding system. You never know what you had until it's gone, ya feel?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, watch, I can do it too... I'll even add post links!

Just as it became abundantly clear two days ago after the Sirken-announced ruleset that TMO/FE was more concerned with raid loot coming into the game at a faster rate via 3-4 repops a month, de-valuing the items they might be selling for various reasons and by various methods...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=25

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=108

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=120

Spin works both ways.

I cannot account for Clark or Korrath, but my post was simply pointing out that the economy should be a consideration here. It falls far short of being spin for some kind of sour grapes. You'll note that several posts later I concluded that the plan was extremely worthwhile.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Greatest thing ever.

speaking of math, which I hate more than anything, has anyone heard of the divine number? phi? some friends were trying to explain it to me as this intense discovery but its just some mathematical BS.

[Razdeline]

The simple word solution to the problem is=

No one will ever get what they want. When BDA wants more, others will suffer. When BDA wants less(which clearly hasn't been conveyed at all), other guilds get more.

As Sirken has stated 1097978 times, no one will like any given solution, just pick something that is fair for everyone. Agree to the raid rules the staff put together yesterday, and build onto it through discussion. Not that hard.

[BillyCranston]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They approve of FFA competition.

It's great that the only thing the devs approve of doesn't work at ALL for this server, or any emulated classic EQ.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that were true, I know of 3 "T2" guilds that would be cleaning house on 32k mobs sitting around, available to be raided, and unclaimed. Our guilds grown so much in a month that we pretty much have a raid force on at all times at 5pm+ PST. So if you're working on Nihilium's raid schedule, then ya at 7am there might be some dragons sitting around since most of us are AT WORK (looking at the guild you're in on your sig I feel like I have to note this). Anywhere near a prime time for EST/PST and we'd me smashing shit in. But, look where blind assumptions and entitlement have gotten you now, the #1 guild now just a fractional inclusion in a tier'd raiding system. You never know what you had until it's gone, ya feel?

I don't raid, i chat and rez people.

I don't make the rules on this server and i will certainly not freak out of one of its staff goes into a frenzy fro whatever reason. They are bias and influenced by many factors and i am not gonna try to understand them. Nor be naive and beleive no money comes out of this whole "free" server business. I am just glad they had the ability to make this place work.

But what i said is true and i see dragons staying up all the time if TMO or FE don't go after them. havent been on lately but i guess it's the same with IB getting involved more.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greatest thing ever.

speaking of math, which I hate more than anything, has anyone heard of the divine number? phi? some friends were trying to explain it to me as this intense discovery but its just some mathematical BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio