OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[OriginalQin]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff specifically said to come to an agreement undervthe assumption that the devs aren't changing anything. So coming to an agreement based on the need for the devs to change things is kinda a bad idea.

That may be the case, but there's been a lot of talk about negotiations to have variances reduced or removed. Nevertheless, my proposal works either way. Just the variance becomes obsolete at that point. But I'd rather go with a lottery.

[goshozal]

Due to FE and IB getting 1 vote each on the council, they would be immune to sanctions which require 5/6.

This is assuming they are still raiding as a unit rather than splitting into 2 guilds.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Due to FE and IB getting 1 vote each on the council, they would be immune to sanctions which require 5/6.

This is assuming they are still raiding as a unit rather than splitting into 2 guilds.

I already mentioned this, but I'm happy somebody else notices as well.

Also everybody needs to stop proposing that variance is reduced that is OFF THE TABLE at this time.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Due to FE and IB getting 1 vote each on the council, they would be immune to sanctions which require 5/6.

This is assuming they are still raiding as a unit rather than splitting into 2 guilds.

Surely youre not suggesting that FE/IB would seriously be able to break the rules of an agreement like that and avoid consequences through some kind of e-politics loophole when the gms already said they would be enforcing whatever the players decide on.

By that same argument ANY guilds on the "council" could form an alliance against the others and make themselves immune, you're simply singling out FE/IB because they already have had a relationship in place.

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surely youre not suggesting that FE/IB would seriously be able to break the rules of an agreement like that and avoid consequences through some kind of e-politics loophole when the gms already said they would be enforcing whatever the players decide on.

That is exactly what I am suggesting. The agreement says that the GM's can always override the council but will defer to it. There is a potential for abuse here.

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By that same argument ANY guilds on the "council" could form an alliance against the others and make themselves immune, you're simply singling out FE/IB because they already have had a relationship in place.

Are you suggesting that two guilds which raid together are just going to vote for their partner guild to be sanctioned?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting that two guilds which raid together are just going to vote for their partner guild to be sanctioned?

If you seriously believe IB or FE would approve of the other breaking the rules JUST because of the raiding relationship theyve had then I think you should probably re-tag to Tinfoil Hats.

[aldred]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HANDS OFF PERIOD
As of January 1, 2014, Category A guilds will be considered “Hands Off” for any Priority raid targets during the first 7 days of each calendar month. During that time period, Category A guilds will avoid any of their priority targets and open them to the rest of the server. This will however exclude raid targets in Veeshan’s Peak.

There's a copyright on this here.

I'll make a fee of 100pp to use it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Autotune]

I just talked with some people in IB and they haven't agreed with this proposal.

Just like to let people know that this is an FE & TMO proposal.

I'd like to wait and see what the other guilds, including IB would like to propose or what system they would like to back.

[Bossman]

FE/IB have essentially been acting like one guild, so they should be treated as one until they present otherwise.

[Bamz4l]

tl;dr

i'd like to make an official proposal to keep all proposals to a two-sentence minimum. This is a sample second sentence.