let's get real about item loot

[Millburn]

As an Italian I support Meatballed.org

[Millburn]

Make raid gear lore, argument solved.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make raid gear lore, argument solved.

Perversely, this also incentivizes large zerg guilds, since the best way around this is to simply have more players on the roster to spread the banked gear around. Very easy to keep track of who is holding what with a simple Google spreadsheet.

The bottom line is that regardless of the ruleset, zergs tend to emerge in EQ. It's inevitable in a game where numbers are the number one factor in both PvE and PvP. The best way to weaken zergs is with hardcoded teams, which artificially limit the recruitment pool for any single guild, and ensure strong competition from guilds on rival teams.

Teams with PvP also directly incentivizes stronger guilds to help weaker guilds acquire gear, since they will rely on them as allies in PvP battles. With regular no drop planar gear, this results in smaller guilds piggybacking on large guild raids to pick up gear rots. With droppable planar gear, the dominant guild will hoard almost all of it in reserve. The only way to get some? Join the zerg yourself, and stay there.

[Lowlife]

That was your most compelling post thus far.

[Lowlife]

My only issue with your previous post (181) is the assumption that standard RZ style item loot won't lead to a massive attrition of the player base before droppable planear gear even becomes relevant, as RZ style free looting caters too specifically to pvp veterans rather than a compromise item loot solution.

[Velerin]

I guess in that way it works. It would definitely reduce the cost of items. The one good thing with item loot is things are cheaper and easier to come by for the casuals. The more I think about it with teams pvp it might even work better with item loot (and I was against item loot).
I couldn't stand RZ (always played VZ) because if you wanted to pvp you were a 'pker' and thus it meant you (if you don't become a pker) lost a lot more items than you ever gained. With teams you can pvp more because you're supposed to.

[Vexenu]

TDC? Darkenbane? What was your Ranger's name? Curious if we ever crossed paths. I was Spinfusor, Iksar Monk.

Anyway, kind of tired of debating your proposal at this point. Honestly, I find it the most interesting of all the item loot proposals, I just think it would scare too many casuals away from the server. If item loot is 100% decided on (I'm hoping it's not) I think it would be worth eliminating no drops just to see how things actually played out. It would be a very bold and interesting experiment at the very least. I'm just afraid we'd consequentially never get a population anywhere near the server's potential due to Blue players recoiling in horror at the combination of item loot and no no-drops.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a very bold and interesting experiment at the very least.

We do have beta phases for experimentation.

[Something'Witty]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We do have beta phases for experimentation.

I dig it! Let Nilbog do whatever he wants with initial beta, and then give feedback on tweaks etc. That being said, can we stop posting new item loot threads...
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[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Something'Witty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dig it! Let Nilbog do whatever he wants with initial beta, and then give feedback on tweaks etc. That being said, can we stop posting new item loot threads...
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