Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Xumosa]

Fuck bards

[drrcm8]

Roll a bard. Now try resisting the temptation to swarm kite and level several times faster than you normally would using any other method.

Exactly.

[Acrux Bcrux]

OT, DL and BW blow anyway for leveling anything becides a bard. Think outside of the box, live, and get better xp derpaderp

[Champion_Standing]

It comes down to one thing and one thing only, common courtesy.

Unfortunately, the concept is completely lost on a large portion of this server. One of the most telling facts is that the most well known asshat kiter continues to get business. It isn't hard to kite and not shit all over everyone else in the zone...but when you are dealing with a server where 50%+ of the server is autistic it can be difficult to make them understand why and how it is rude and pisses people off.

[wrxBRAH]

Derubael (GM) just laid down the law in Overthere. About time!

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by wrxBRAH [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael (GM) just laid down the law in Overthere. About time!

story?

[Derubael]

Not much of a story. Just follow the server rules.

Your swarm, your responsibility. Keep it away from other players in the zone. If you run your swarm over someone in the zone, even if your mobs don't aggro right away, if you die, they are going to go after every player you ran by. Bottom line is keep your swarms away from other players. Don't steal mobs from other players. Pretty simple.

Doesn't matter if this is intentional or not. "I didn't see him, I was moving too fast" and other excuses are not going to cut it anymore. The days of bards indiscriminately running their swarms over other players is over. If I see you doing it, I will likely summon you into your own swarm and freeze you in place, then remove you from the zone for a few hours. Continuing to inconvenience other players will result in further action.

Nothing wrong with swarming. Pull the whole zone if you can do it without breaking any rules. Just make sure you keep that swarm far, far away from other people in the zone, and you'll be fine.

I assure you, I will be watching. Happy hunting!

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not much of a story. Just follow the server rules.

Your swarm, your responsibility. Keep it away from other players in the zone. If you run your swarm over someone in the zone, even if your mobs don't aggro right away, if you die, they are going to go after every player you ran by. Bottom line is keep your swarms away from other players. Don't steal mobs from other players. Pretty simple.

Doesn't matter if this is intentional or not. "I didn't see him, I was moving too fast" and other excuses are not going to cut it anymore. The days of bards indiscriminately running their swarms over other players is over. If I see you doing it, I will likely summon you into your own swarm and freeze you in place, then remove you from the zone for a few hours. Continuing to inconvenience other players will result in further action.

Nothing wrong with swarming. Pull the whole zone if you can do it without breaking any rules. Just make sure you keep that swarm far, far away from other people in the zone, and you'll be fine.

I assure you, I will be watching. Happy hunting!

i'm all about serving justice to irresponsible AOE kiters, and I'm not trying to undermine your authority, but wouldn't summoning the kiter into their own train (1) result in their death and, more importantly, (2) unleash the train onto the zone, potentially killing the people you are trying to protect?

and also, is action taken when the train "runs over" a player and doesn't aggro them? for example, if a kiter's train happens to path over somebody running in the middle of the zone, but the kiter does not die and no mobs ever aggro the person who came into aggro range of the train, does disciplinary action still take place? the way you describe it, you will be punishing people for random happenings in addition to the irresponsible running of trains over players camped at the zone edges. in either case, i don't see how running a train by anyone who doesn't catch any aggro is breaking any rules*.

again, i'm not trying to undermine any authority. i think the discipline will do great things, but i think it's best to be as clear as possible about this.


* EDIT: i stand corrected -- it looks like "running a train over a camp" is against the rules. from the global server rules:

"You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary"

however, this is still a bit ambiguous when it comes to defining a "group in your way." if you actively keep your train away from all known camps in the zone, and still manage to run it over a person running through the middle of the zone without any aggro transferring, is this punishable?

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm all about serving justice to irresponsible AOE kiters, and I'm not trying to undermine your authority, but wouldn't summoning the kiter into their own train (1) result in their death and, more importantly, (2) unleash the train onto the zone, potentially killing the people you are trying to protect?

You are absolutely correct, which is why before doing something like this I will announce to the zone that a swarm is about to break and run all over the place.

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater

and also, is action taken when the train "runs over" a player and doesn't aggro them? for example, if a kiter's train happens to path over somebody running in the middle of the zone, but the kiter does not die and no mobs ever aggro the person who came into aggro range of the train, does disciplinary action still take place? the way you describe it, you will be punishing people for random happenings in addition to the irresponsible running of trains over players camped at the zone edges. in either case, i don't see how running a train by anyone who doesn't catch any aggro is breaking any rules.

again, i'm not trying to undermine any authority. i think the discipline will do great things, but i think it's best to be as clear as possible about this.

Yes, I am saying that even if you do not get attacked right away, I will still be taking action. Those mobs will be adding the player that was passed by to their hate list, even if it's at the bottom.

From the server rules thread:

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

I want people to keep their swarms away from other players. It causes too many problems, deaths, and petitions, and honestly it's not that difficult. Just show a little discretion when grabbing your swarms and you'll be fine.

My sincere hope is that everyone plays nice and I can leave everyone alone.


**edit** looks like you beat me to it

however, this is still a bit ambiguous when it comes to defining a "group in your way." if you actively keep your train away from all known camps in the zone, and still manage to run it over a person running through the middle of the zone without any aggro transferring, is this punishable?

Do your best to avoid people running through the zone. Again, this shouldn't be that difficult. Keep in mind that each situation will be evaluated as it comes, but use this as a baseline. For example, if there's some bard hater intentionally trying to get trained by running around your swarm/getting in your way, I'm not going to punish you. But if someone is just trying to cross the zone to get to the OT outpost from WW, you need to make sure your swarm doesn't go near them.

[Doktoor]

As someone who's done some AE kiting, its not that difficult to avoid people in these zones - you know where they're gonna be.

The problem comes from a bard using too much area while pulling - getting too far from your pull while pulling more.

Selos allows you to get all over the zone and let your pack continue to accrue while you're way off getting more.

If you just stay close to your pack as you pull more and look out for people, then it's not that hard to keep them from getting anyone else on the hate list.

I only did it for a few levels in the 30s. It's boring and hard on the wrists.