ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE) - Page 148

Mandalore93 · #1 01-09-2015, 01:37 PM

If you like historical fiction have you ever read any of Conn Iggulden's work? Absolutely loved all of his series. Bernard Cornwell also has some good work but I'm not a huge fan.

Patriam1066 · #2 01-09-2015, 03:58 PM

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If you like historical fiction have you ever read any of Conn Iggulden's work? Absolutely loved all of his series. Bernard Cornwell also has some good work but I'm not a huge fan.

Good recommendation, the emperor and conqueror series look interesting

I also like Ken Follett for historical fiction, although he peaked with Pillars of the Earth

Sidelle · #3 01-10-2015, 01:57 AM

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If you like historical fiction have you ever read any of Conn Iggulden's work? Absolutely loved all of his series. Bernard Cornwell also has some good work but I'm not a huge fan.

Have not read these so will check it out. Thanks for the suggestions - I am constantly looking for new books these days and stories based on real historical events have always been my favorites.

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Good recommendation, the emperor and conqueror series look interesting

I also like Ken Follett for historical fiction, although he peaked with Pillars of the Earth

Forgot about Pillars of the Earth. First heard about it when they made the mini-series and vaguely remember making a mental note to read it but I forgot, so thanks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mandalore93 · #4 01-10-2015, 03:43 AM

Conqueror is my personal favorite. However, I've always loved the far east in general where as Rome has been done to death. I'd argue his second best are the Saxon Stories. set during Alfred the Great's reign in England. Audiobook on that one isn't the greatest unfortunately.

Patriam1066 · #5 01-10-2015, 03:53 PM

I like Preston's new vid.... It's obviously still a stretch but he's on the way to something plausible. Also, if anyone can tell me with any degree of certainty what baelish is up to, I'd be impressed. I hate his character completely but I will admit I have no idea what he's planning (as in the big picture)

Sirken · #6 01-11-2015, 05:30 PM

Baelish might be my favorite character just because he keeps me on my toes. i have no real idea what his end game is, and i wouldnt believe anyone that said they 100% for sure did.

the video wasnt bad for shining a spot light in Baelish, but imo if he had a grudge against any family, itd be the starks. and clearly he want as much power as he can get. but thats all i got [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Patriam1066 · #7 01-11-2015, 06:37 PM

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Baelish might be my favorite character just because he keeps me on my toes. i have no real idea what his end game is, and i wouldnt believe anyone that said they 100% for sure did.

the video wasnt bad for shining a spot light in Baelish, but imo if he had a grudge against any family, itd be the starks. and clearly he want as much power as he can get. but thats all i got [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I say I hate him, I mean as in I don't like his actions. He is definitely a compelling and entertaining character. I agree that probably no one who isn't clairvoyant knows what he's up to. And yeah, he definitely hates the Starks. I think he dislikes the aristocracy in general as well. He feels slighted and if he can cause as much trouble as possible, why not? It's always been my personal opinion that Baelish represents Martin in the books. Martin is the ass hole in RL, Baelish is his ass hole clone in ASOIAF, just trolling everyone.

That said, he's up to something... obviously. I think he's enjoying watching the great houses squirm in the process.

Davos / Arya 2016

Patriam1066 · #8 01-11-2015, 06:46 PM

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Forgot about Pillars of the Earth. First heard about it when they made the mini-series and vaguely remember making a mental note to read it but I forgot, so thanks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pillars is a great book, I haven't met anyone who didn't like it. However, don't read the sequel, it's a huge disappointment. I'm starting to read Follett's century trilogy, hopefully it'll be as good as pillars

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WHOA. how dare you describe Lord Baelish as "scummery"

im really hoping Sansa doesnt magically turn into some dumb emo bitch. hopefully they bring her along slowly. i like that shes learning how to play "the game". but that should be a very long process, especially considering Sansa's starting point. sadly, i do fear that she will ultimately be the end of Baelish. Should Sansa ever learn of Baelish's role in Ned's death, or the release of Jaime (this second one resulting in Karstak killing the other Lannister prisoners, which led to Robb beheading Karstark, which i believe was the final straw for the northern lords that betrayed Robb at the red wedding), then Sansa will end Baelish, or force him to end her.

I want Arya to kill Baelish. It's probably gonna be Sansa though. Poetic if you ask me. The only thing is, at this point, what can Sansa really do? Obviously she can destroy Baelish, but if she has a sense of self awareness, she has to know that he's her only chance for survival / regaining position in life. Sansa never struck me as being honorable like the other Starks... I think she'd choose her own relationship with Baelish in a bid for self preservation over revenge for her family.

Sirken · #9 01-13-2015, 07:05 AM

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Pillars is a great book, I haven't met anyone who didn't like it. However, don't read the sequel, it's a huge disappointment. I'm starting to read Follett's century trilogy, hopefully it'll be as good as pillars

I want Arya to kill Baelish. It's probably gonna be Sansa though. Poetic if you ask me. The only thing is, at this point, what can Sansa really do? Obviously she can destroy Baelish, but if she has a sense of self awareness, she has to know that he's her only chance for survival / regaining position in life. Sansa never struck me as being honorable like the other Starks... I think she'd choose her own relationship with Baelish in a bid for self preservation over revenge for her family.

im thinking Baelish will use her in a plan, and she'll see an opportunity to let him die by not doing her part in the plan. its simple, sweet, and believable. i dont think book 6 Sansa will be anything like book 1 Sansa. shes one of the characters that has come a long long way in terms of "growing up" fast.

Patriam1066 · #10 01-13-2015, 05:57 PM

We'll see. I definitely think she's a changed (for the better) version of Sansa. But I think that means she will become more manipulative and self aware, like Baelish. I'm not so certain that she will play a huge role in avenging the Starks. Will she elevate herself to a position of power? Sure, I could see that. But I think Jon Snow will be fighting the Others (in addition to whatever the hell else he can try to accomplish) and Arya will be doing the Stark vendetta killings.

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im thinking Baelish will use her in a plan, and she'll see an opportunity to let him die by not doing her part in the plan. its simple, sweet, and believable. i dont think book 6 Sansa will be anything like book 1 Sansa. shes one of the characters that has come a long long way in terms of "growing up" fast.

I could certainly see that happening, but my question is, if her choices are marrying Harry the Heir after Robin has some sort of untimely Baelish inspired accident, making her the 2nd/3rd (after Harry and Baelish) most powerful person in the Vale, would she throw that all away just to get revenge?

If anything, I think Sansa's transition has made her more like Baelish, rather than more like a Stark. I don't think she's worried about honor, but rather she's learning how to play the game of thrones, particularly how to gain power.

TLDR: I think Sansa will play the game as long as it continues to benefit her, whereas someone like Arya will be motivated purely out of righting past wrongs. When is the damned book coming out