2020 Election MEGAthread

[Convict]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

I keep seeing this but nobody provides their expect opinion on how it could have been handled better... I mean pretty much shutting down the country and banning all travel from China seemed like a pretty strong approach to me. The democrats called him racist for banning travel from China. Their original estimate was 2 million dead and we are at only 200kish~ (which is still high but comparatively only 10% of the original estimate.. seems pretty good tbh)? So if the democrats were in power during the original outbreak they wouldn't of banned travel from China and it most likely would have been much worse.

It's also far more nuanced that people make it seem. Like trump had the power to make 100% of the decisions. Newsflash the president is a powerful position, but they are not an emporer. There are hundreds.. thousands of people in postions in various cabinets and agencies that made seperate decisions which all affected the outcome of the pandemic. Its not all on trumps shoulder like the liberal media is conveniently making it seem for political purposes and to paint a narrative that sheep are eating up.

I'm not necessarily a trump supporter (and damn sure not a biden supporter) but if you look at it objectively he really did about the best anybody could have done in that position short of declaring martial law and shitting all over constitutional rights and amendments and basically making it illegal to leave your home for months, which would have done WAY more damage to the country than covid already has. It's also been proven that covid death numbers have been inflated artificially and anybody who died that tested positive for covid was listed as a covid death even if they died of heart disease or other pre-existing medical problems (that are not an effect of covid)

Again I'm not a huge fan of trump, there were far better candidates on the republican and democratic side, but when I see political discussions on trump like 95% of the negative comments and opinions about him are regurgitated talking points heard on CNN or other liberal media outlets and when you actually research it are completely wrong or taken out of context or skewed. A really good example is the "fine people on both sides" narrative that was spewed for months claiming Trump was "supporting white supremacy". That shit was regurgitated for months.. and still is but when I finally went and watched the whole clip with all the context I was literally disgusted at how easily media is able to influence millions of sheep who get all their "facts" from liberal media and do 0% research before they run around screaming at conservatives spewing vitriol and insults using these so called "facts" as their argument.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep seeing this but nobody provides their expect opinion on how it could have been handled better...

I keep seeing this too. And gets asked and answered.

Very few people have expert opinions on this. And we don't listen to the people that do because, well, MAGA.

1. Do not disband/reorganize the CSHBU. That's the way we fought them over there so we didn't have to fight them over here.

2. Do not politicize PPE.

3. Do not seize PPE orders that states have paid for and reallocate/redirect them. And if you do, certainly don't send the gear overseas. And if you do that, certainly don't send the PPE to your creditors.

4. Do not lie to the public about the severity of the disease because you're scared a Wall Street panic response (which is coming anyway) will hurt your personal reelection aspirations.

5. Don't spread conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated claims about the efficacy of certain treatments -- you're not a medical doctor.

6. Don't be an overt racist so that every executive order you give on international travel and immigration is scrutinized by the courts and politicized by your opponents. Intent matters under the law.

Trump had a golden opportunity. Take command. Be humbled, measured, and calm. Call the American people together and rally us as a nation to endure and persevere. Doing just those few things gets you a long way -- ask Rudy. But no, he had to make it about him just like he does everything else.

[Jibartik]

By the way good morning ya'll. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jibartik]

This will really piss some of you off hehe https://youtu.be/eK_l_eVGByk

[kjs86z]

Everything is racist if you're a lefty loon.

Are facts racist? You tell me.

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[Jibartik]

Can we avoid this topic full stop please, we do not need to turn every discussion about trump into "_____ race does better than ______ race." ...while you sit there and not see that you're just proving the liberals right.

[Jibartik]

You're telling me you think he's doing a great job rn? Economy is strong as ever, unemployment is just on lock, as soon as we lift the social distancing restrictions everything will just fire on all cylinders? Nobody who has any problems with their situation with the economy right now has anyone to blame but themselves?

The reason I ask you this is because that's been trumps solution to the pandemic, he has fought against every single thing that could be done about it, because he thinks that it's all bullshit. And here I am surrounded by people struggling and everyone upset and no end in sight and no one even knows if masks work, and you think that's handling it well?

You want me to list the 500 things he's done and said over the last year? That's so unfair. This is my entire argument, there are like countless examples of him being a huge idiot about this whole thing, and you cant even admit it and that's my whole argument.

[Castle2.0]

There is a well-established correlation to GDP and suicide. Google it.

Also, Pelosi refuses stimulus without all the extra BS they want. They won't do a pared down version. Trump negotiates to get stimulus done, Nancy negotiates to get her lefty loony wishlist. Hope you have the objectivity to see the difference.

[FatherSioux]

Again, I’m not saying it’s been perfect and without issues. Trump saying dumb shit isn’t news anymore. Show me things he could have done. Show me the magic fix we’re not doing. Waiving your arms around like a child whenever he says something that you can disagree with isn’t productive.

Him NOT using this to expand the executive branch’s power. Him shutting down travel early. Him not nationalizing the response effort is good. His ability to aid and supplement the states with PPE and ventilators were all great. Him sending navy boats and aiding the construction of temporary hospitals was good.

Him getting into spats with Fauci isn’t a good look. Him not wearing a mask more than he did early was bad. Him speaking on things he doesn’t understand isn’t good(UV Light). But none of that in my view has had any real impact on actual deaths.

You simply cannot place the delay of the stimulus on him. That has been Pelosi and the Democrats through and through. Which is typical of them, tell us they are for the working man and then delay aid because the deal isn’t exactly what Pelosi wanted.


Another thing, you can’t pretend the relentless accusations about him, the fraudulent investigations aren’t to blame in part for how he acts toward the media and the left.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You simply cannot place the delay of the stimulus on him. That has been Pelosi and the Democrats through and through. Which is typical of them, tell us they are for the working man and then delay aid because the deal isn’t exactly what Pelosi wanted

but: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfri.../#3e819ebf3930