2020 Election MEGAthread

[Morton Jr]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let the Armenians die AND starve iranians into submission. Great foreign policy guys

You created an undemocratic Iran. You might as well bomb it and get it over with. They’ll never submit

As for it being “the worst place to move to,” Iran has taken 100,000 Christian refugees from Syria, Armenia, and Iraq. It’s easily a more tolerant country than our current Muslim allies. But whatever, that has little and less to do with Trump being a dumb ass who is about to tank the GOP and usher in the most liberal congress since FDR. Maybe you guys will learn when you see actual liberal policies enacted, instead of the milquetoast centrism under Obama

Not our business dude, none of that shit.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mentioned it before, it's an appeal to purity. He claims you took an extreme position and argues against that. You can tell people do that when they restate the claim in their opening, like when they say "so what you're saying..." and then they gaslight you about what you claimed.

It's similar to Patriam going "oh so we should withdraw from the world" when I said we didn't have any international problems to solve.

I don't think it's particularly insulting to say argument techniques like that are immature.

It's naive to think you can overcome the basis of someone's ideological argument by providing a 'gotcha' example. You're insulting the intelligence of your opponent because you're basically accusing them of having such a basic or incomplete understanding of their own position that they are now vulnerable to such a basic attack.

Like I've been a conservative for three decades and I'm going to listen as someone tries to explain the basic tenets to me and convince me I'm wrong about the thing I've really thought long and hard about.

Need to resurrect Bill Buttley to exile y'all Birchers again[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DOVAHKIIIIIIN

[BarnabusCollins]

Biden is gonna win. Taxes are gonna incr. 4 trillion. Glad im a illegal.

[Patriam1066]

Donald trump: ducked military service, doesn’t pay taxes, and delegitimizes the elections

The cock sucker trifecta!!! SAD!

[Patriam1066]

Fathersioux and Bellamy, what size ball can you suck through a garden hose? Golf? Tennis?

[Jibartik]

It seems that there is a faction of "American exceptionalists" ITT, that think that people like me, hate America and are hindering its exceptionality. And the only thing stopping us from destroying this country, isn't our branches of goverment, it's us spreading our "ideas"....

And you wonder why Trump supporters get called nazis? lol

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems that there is a faction of "American exceptionalists" ITT, that think that people like me, hate America and are hindering its exceptionality. And the only thing stopping us from destroying this country, isn't our branches of goverment, it's us spreading our "ideas"....

And you wonder why Trump supporters get called nazis? lol

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

Racism now means you have to actively fight against racism in prescribed actions, otherwise you’re racist. Court packing now means appointing judges in the same way all other presidents have? This is all very damaging and is absolutely a tactic of oppressive and controlling governments.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

I agree, but I dont actively support people that also engage in that. If you'll notice Ive made no claims as to who is better than trump, I am just calling him out for the same things I call out those idiots on CNN and Racheal Maddow and the View for.

I think that trump supporters give him a pass but then call out the left for it. That's what irks me. I go back to my spade a spade stance. Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

How you claim to be objective and judge him from an unbias position doesn't balance. I'm not claiming he did everything perfect but you need to keep this in mind. We're still in this pandemic right? How anyone can pretend to have done better is beyond me. This is like a coach being judged by his first half, or first quarter, or first 5 minutes. We likely won't know for year how each country and more importantly which approaches to this pandemic were effective. The data changes because we're still playing the game.

The objective and reasonable stance to take on Covid is that this is unprecedented and I wouldn't want to be in a position of power during this time. But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false. Globally we are learning how to handle something like this in the modern world.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false.

Completely ignores pandemic response https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...olitico-2020-3

“when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.” ...nobody believed this but him. But he said it in defiance of early lockdown restrictions.

Trump says it will just disappear, people demand to remove pandemic response restrictions, infection rates in states where they did rises: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/polit...ets/index.html

Trump creates a theory that there will be more suicides than covid deaths this is again something he made up. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...ss-briefing-9/

Canceling stimulus talks to use it as a tool for the election.

Canceling stimulus talks to push supreme court nomination through.

I mean I could go on and on here, there are countless mistakes this man has made that increased our infection rates and made lock downs longer and more uncertain and created a more turbulent economy.

If you cant call a spade a spade here, then you're following a prophet, not a politician.