Camping Raid Mobs... gone on long enough ?! - Page 14

Yoite · #**131** 06-14-2010, 03:25 PM

those that wanna put in the time and effort and such to stay on top, good for them, let them have at it and compete for it.

those that just wanna raid, just raid earlier content. although you cant do that now i know, speaking Kunark and beyond.

Branaddar · #**132** 06-14-2010, 03:29 PM

Yeah, my best memories of raiding in EQ were with a guild that (started off) one expansion behind current. We did it with fewer numbers (30 or so was our average raid force) than anyone else, and we slowly caught up to the top guilds.

Hell, every guild I joined after that one I was repeating content again. I did Velious/Luclin with 4 different guilds before finally doing PoP.

I have no desire to be #1 anymore, heck I'm not sure I even want to raid this time around. Not because of desire, but because of time. I have 2 babies and 2 teens and a 40+ hour a week job now. I just can't let it intrude on my life like it did when I had the time to waste.

But anyway, yeah I can see the points all around. I like to play devil's advocate a lot and stand up for the quiet voice that makes some sense but games flamed to hell. I don't even necessarily agree with that opinion so much as think of it as a valid one :P

Reiker · #**133** 06-14-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I have to say to you is this:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=kunark+loot

While you're spending time farming gear to upgrade every slot, players from superior guilds with superior classic gear are going to already be hitting up the lower end Kunark raid targets and leveling up for Trakanon.

guineapig · #**134** 06-14-2010, 04:25 PM

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While you're spending time farming gear to upgrade every slot, players from superior guilds with superior classic gear are going to already be hitting up the lower end Kunark raid targets and leveling up for Trakanon.

ROFL...

What part of random drops don't you understand?

We will all be "leveling up for Trakanon"... and getting gear while we do it.
You either didn't read what I wrote or don't understand. You certainly didn't look at the link.

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While you're spending time farming gear to upgrade every slot,

Also, the items you are wearing are not all boss drops, who are you trying to kid?

Seriously man, this is starting to sound like some sort of complex, and it's kind of funny.
Does it bother you than some of us don't care about what your character currently has?

Reiker · #**135** 06-14-2010, 04:43 PM

No point arguing, we'll see how it goes.

Divinity, future #1 Kunark raid guild.

Alawen Everywhere · #**136** 06-14-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROFL...

What part of random drops don't you understand?

We will all be "leveling up for Trakanon"... and getting gear while we do it.
You either didn't read what I wrote or don't understand. You certainly didn't look at the link.

Seriously man, this is starting to sound like some sort of complex, and it's kind of funny.
Does it bother you than some of us don't care about what your character currently has?

I'm going to have to call shenanigans on this. Chicanery is just straight up trolling.

All of us know how this game works. More hit points and armor class and resists mean more survivability. Better weapons mean more dps. Bigger mana pools mean both.

Some of us, however, reveal that we don't know all that much about the progression when we pretend that there aren't excellent items that drop from raid bosses in classic. Go look through Kunark loot and tell me what you prefer over Bone-Clasped Girdle. Now tell me about the upgrade for Cloak of Flames. Here's a hint: the Cloak of Flames off Talendor isn't better than the one off Nagafen. If you can't tell the difference between a 10/19 weapon and a 10/24 weapon, you probably don't belong in a raid guild at all.

No, we are not camping for days in order to stop you from getting drops. Members of Divinity, Chicanery's guild, got themselves a Maestro kill the other day because we had no need for his loot.

Use your brain. This server has been up for eight months. We don't get full spawns on server reset like live--all the bosses have persistent timers. That means there is less loot here. Each boss on Project 1999 has been killed about 50 times, with the exception of Innoruuk who has been killed less than 20 times. Dracoliche has been killed about 100 times, and Maestro about 40. That's by everyone combined and that's just not all that much loot to pass around. Yes, this is a zero sum game.

There is also massive misinformation here about the history of raiding on this server. IB had nothing to do with starting the camps. I am possibly the most vocal opponent within IB to camping raid mobs. I think it's lame as hell.

DA is responsible for camping bosses. It started with Salty and Fish Bait and groups too small, under-geared and low level to even kill the bosses they camped. As far as I know, Durison's only leadership experience in EverQuest is on Project 1999 and, not surprisingly, his only strategy is the one he learned from Salty.

Loke · #**137** 06-14-2010, 04:53 PM

I think it's ridiculous to have the mind-set that all current items will be replaced, thus they are not worth the effort to obtain. By that logic, you might as well never spend any time getting any gear, since all the gear in the next expansion is better.

Crimson Robe, CoF, RBB, White Dragon Scale Cloak, BCG, All Bard Inst., Inny cloak, Inny Shoulders, Draco Shoulders... all items that are still among the best in the game come kunark that drop off raid bosses. I'm not saying that they make or break a guild - but anything you can do to get your members more mana, more hps, more dps... the better imo.

Reiker · #**138** 06-14-2010, 04:54 PM

Yeah I'm being trolled hard here.

Yoite · #**139** 06-14-2010, 05:08 PM

but gave ya something to do at work at least! these forums certainly helped me get through this slow day.

guineapig · #**140** 06-14-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of us, however, reveal that we don't know all that much about the progression when we pretend that there aren't excellent items that drop from raid bosses in classic. Go look through Kunark loot and tell me what you prefer over Bone-Clasped Girdle. Now tell me about the upgrade for Cloak of Flames. Here's a hint: the Cloak of Flames off Talendor isn't better than the one off Nagafen. If you can't tell the difference between a 10/19 weapon and a 10/24 weapon, you probably don't belong in a raid guild at all.

Well I was comparing a 10/20 dagger with no stats that drops maybe once a week if your lucky to a 10/22 with stats that drops probably every day, but what ever.

Also, the Bone-Clasped Girdle will be added to Dread, Fright and Terror's loot tables with the revamp of Fear so it's not exactly the best example.

Listen man, I'm not trying to hate on IB. I was talking to Reiker and responding to his opinions with my own.

If telling new players not to get discouraged is wrong... well than I don't know what to say about that.

Min/max all you want and play the victim with my responses but I don't see how what I said that was so wrong.

You don't need the very best gear in the game to do all the content in the game.

If you can find fallacy with that statement then I'll eat my words and delete all my previous posts on the subject.