FTE is Fing stupid

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're already in TMO, you don't need to make up stuff to make it look better for you to join Ace. You pretty much have no idea what you're talking about and full of shit when it comes to anything VD. You weren't part of the guild nor the officer corp but only in name. Coldblooded wouldn't remove you even when _every_single_officer wanted you removed due to your inability at anything, much-less members of the guild asking who this Ace guy was.

The fact you even bring up Niniks epic is laughable. TMO and IB had the cleric epic on lockdown and had the only epics. Heaven forbid VD even get one, and it wasn't until TMO was raid suspended, did they say " oh let Ninik get her epic before VD people, I will kill ragefire if VD tries to get it etc etc. If you logged on at all you might have known what was going on, but you ran your mouth not knowing and people told you to shut up. We wanted 1 epic, and were more than happy to let Ninik have the 2nd one. So yea, also lets forget about the server repop when we left Trakanon, all Kunark dragons up and the Gods, and only killed vs for 24 hours for the other guilds. I'm sure that slipped your mind while headbanging away in your Trans Am with your mullet getting caught on your alligator clip earrings.


You brought up rotations with other guilds when you had no idea in the first place what was even taking place on this server since you never logged on. We even called you out on it on VD boards asking you wtf, since you clearly had no idea what was going on and you even went back and edited your post because of how stupid you looked. How the fact you can claim you were an officer, when all you did was relate to back the pvp days of Knights of the Rose, and never logged on to do anything but complain you were passed over for loot by people who attended more raids in the 2 weeks they were in the guild than the year+ you were in VD.


As for rotations :

Some people wanted a rotation, others didn't. It worked out for Trak for a while before it died off and I would almost say all 3 guilds we're prolly happy it did happen since it allowed people to do other things than camp out for Trakanon for 2 days. The problem came when a good handful of people wanted to go enter VP for VD. That's when the issues came up.

This server would be better off working together than pulling stupid shit like FTE. Hell make a open pact to not enter VP for a long period of time to get a Trakanon rotation. Yet I'm sure the only way you can win a rotation is to starve the person who has been feasting on him the past few months. Then they will give in. Otherwise you'll just play in to their own game of trying to get FTE rights by throwing something, exploiting training jugs over the water and on to the other guild, or FD to stand up as your guild engages. That's not competition, that's resorting to bullshit rule lawyering when you lose especially when the GMs will do anything about it, even on fraps.

I personally don't feel a FTE should would work, it's too manipulative just like FTE with a FD person. So when Yendor or a handful of other people stomp their feet saying it would be the end of all the raid evil, wait till that lvl 20 agros Trakanon with a SBI and kites him around while 40 people log in.

Who to believe Ace who has been trustworthy throughout his career even when VD and TMO were at each others throats, or Rais a known liar, and shady bastard who has spun more lies and conspiracies than almost anyone on the forums.

Ez choice here.

[Tanthallas]

Your FTE was a cleric who ran in and DA'ed right after our necro who we sent in to get shroomed. Our necro died...we waited and i sent another person in, however it seems that your cleric snagged the next spot on the agro list before him.

The first person to engage 12 seconds after your cleric ran in was me. TMO had a total of 14 people engaged on trak during the first half of the fight, topping off at an impressive 21 people at the end I believe. By the time TMO's initial force had all engaged, there were over 30 BDA engaged as well.

The real question would be: if it was a battle of 'fast' engage and awareness was the issue, i.e., if TMO had any intention of killing trak with 14 people, why did it take 12 seconds for 14 TMO to run in; and why did they just happened to run in after the BDA force over over 30 people?

The 12 seconds delay in BDA's engage after your cleric followed our necro shows the opposite of a race to engage by two guilds ready to kill a mob - it shows that the game was one of trying to sneak through and be the first on Trak's agro list while hoping that BDA did not notice and went in to kill it.

And thats fine; whatever mine or anyone else's opinions about this type of play are, this shit has been going on for quite a long time and we are all pretty familiar with it. But atleast call it what it is and do not try to dress it up as something it was not.

[Thana8088]

But, but, but your puller took a wrong turn and ran right past our caammmmppppp.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're already in TMO, you don't need to make up stuff to make it look better for you to join Ace. You pretty much have no idea what you're talking about and full of shit when it comes to anything VD. You weren't part of the guild nor the officer corp but only in name. Coldblooded wouldn't remove you even when _every_single_officer wanted you removed due to your inability at anything, much-less members of the guild asking who this Ace guy was.

The fact you even bring up Niniks epic is laughable. TMO and IB had the cleric epic on lockdown and had the only epics. Heaven forbid VD even get one, and it wasn't until TMO was raid suspended, did they say " oh let Ninik get her epic before VD people, I will kill ragefire if VD tries to get it etc etc. If you logged on at all you might have known what was going on, but you ran your mouth not knowing and people told you to shut up. We wanted 1 epic, and were more than happy to let Ninik have the 2nd one. So yea, also lets forget about the server repop when we left Trakanon, all Kunark dragons up and the Gods, and only killed vs for 24 hours for the other guilds. I'm sure that slipped your mind while headbanging away in your Trans Am with your mullet getting caught on your alligator clip earrings.


You brought up rotations with other guilds when you had no idea in the first place what was even taking place on this server since you never logged on. We even called you out on it on VD boards asking you wtf, since you clearly had no idea what was going on and you even went back and edited your post because of how stupid you looked. How the fact you can claim you were an officer, when all you did was relate to back the pvp days of Knights of the Rose, and never logged on to do anything but complain you were passed over for loot by people who attended more raids in the 2 weeks they were in the guild than the year+ you were in VD.


As for rotations :

Some people wanted a rotation, others didn't. It worked out for Trak for a while before it died off and I would almost say all 3 guilds we're prolly happy it did happen since it allowed people to do other things than camp out for Trakanon for 2 days. The problem came when a good handful of people wanted to go enter VP for VD. That's when the issues came up.

This server would be better off working together than pulling stupid shit like FTE. Hell make a open pact to not enter VP for a long period of time to get a Trakanon rotation. Yet I'm sure the only way you can win a rotation is to starve the person who has been feasting on him the past few months. Then they will give in. Otherwise you'll just play in to their own game of trying to get FTE rights by throwing something, exploiting training jugs over the water and on to the other guild, or FD to stand up as your guild engages. That's not competition, that's resorting to bullshit rule lawyering when you lose especially when the GMs will do anything about it, even on fraps.

I personally don't feel a FTE should would work, it's too manipulative just like FTE with a FD person. So when Yendor or a handful of other people stomp their feet saying it would be the end of all the raid evil, wait till that lvl 20 agros Trakanon with a SBI and kites him around while 40 people log in.

Oh on this part, I knew what was going to play out, VD didn't have a clue (as usual). VD members were only concerned in getting "more" cleric epics than TMO. They didn't care about the rotation because they could cock block all the other guilds with TMO/IB out of the way. If VD had agreed to the rotation they would have gotten the exact same amount of cleric epics, they were just being greedy (go look up the tell logs between me and lilyanna that i posted on some random RnF thread awhile back, it's all there) which ended with TMO getting off suspension early and ruining VD's greed.

If it wasn't for some people disagreeing with TMO's plan to destroy VD for being dicks and say fuck the rotation, TMO would have cockblocked with IB on Ragefire for months. Hell, you guys (everyone not in TMO/IB) might not even have fucking cleric epics atm if it wasn't for those few people.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait till that lvl 20 agros Trakanon with a SBI and kites him around while 40 people log in.

And how is that any different than the tricky stuff that already happens? It's not.

At least with the FTE shout, we'd know for sure that the FD monk behind the rock in Trak's lair stood up and got prox aggro with only 5 other guildmates in the zone before the other guild rushed in, and the non-FTE guild can back off and let them deal with it. If the monk clicks an SBI, so be it. The non-FTE guild had the opportunity to do the same thing.

Instead, what happens now, is the non-FTE raid force thinks they got FTE and kills the mob for the raid force that probably would have wiped due to early engage. That's the thing I would like to cut out of the equation by having the FTE shout - the ambiguity as to who should be applying DPS to the raid target.

It lets us know in advance what the GMs are going to see in the encounter logs later... I don't see how that can be abused.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how is that any different than the tricky stuff that already happens? It's not.

At least with the FTE shout, we'd know for sure that the FD monk behind the rock in Trak's lair stood up and got prox aggro with only 5 other guildmates in the zone before the other guild rushed in, and the non-FTE guild can back off and let them deal with it. If the monk clicks an SBI, so be it. The non-FTE guild had the opportunity to do the same thing.

Instead, what happens now, is the non-FTE raid force thinks they got FTE and kills the mob for the raid force that probably would have wiped due to early engage. That's the thing I would like to cut out of the equation by having the FTE shout - the ambiguity as to who should be applying DPS to the raid target.

It lets us know in advance what the GMs are going to see in the encounter logs later... I don't see how that can be abused.

The situations you describe wouldn't really change (if you can't see a dragon attacking a cleric for 10 seconds, you're probably not perceptive enough to see a FTE shout anyway) but for situations like VS where two guilds have forces on the spawn point, I absolutely agree. It would be better than GMs digging through logs to see who the mob thought about attacking first.

[lilyanna]

Originally Posted by Acillatem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, my only gripe with BDA is with the "new guard" of VDA who in my eyes are using BDA as an ends to a mean when they didn't give 2 shits about them a couple of months prior.

When TMO was raid suspended and BDA did this "goodwill" rotation back in June, I laughed a little on the inside. Becuz when IB/TMO were suspended in February (and I was still an officer in VD), I brought up doing a rotation with other guilds, or helping with epics, or just general good will, and the reactions of ALL the other VD Officers were "fuck that", "not a chance in hell", "I'm not tracking so other people can get epics", "fuk Ninik", and "this is our chance for loot". (those are exact quotes btw - I'm not just making shit up). A very "anti-server" attitude - and was honestly when I first started to grow a bit disgruntled with VD.

And the irony of it was a day later Stealin started pushing for Ninik's epic. And a week later TMO started the Endangered Species (ie a rotation of sorts). It made me sit and wonder "who's the bad guy here". I'm supposed to be in a guild who since inception has been a pinnacle of good will and fair play etc, yet the "bad guys" are taking a more "server friendly stance" than VD?

So as a member of the "New Guard, Inc.", I guess we feel the same way about each other [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol seriously I am amazed you can sit here and write these bare faced lies.. pretty funny Ace.

[mitic]

ez solution, go play instanced live eq if u can't handle open world encounters.

ya know, it's just because of subjects like this one why soe ruined the game.

[Savok]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ez solution, go play instanced live eq if u can't handle open world encounters.

ya know, it's just because of subjects like this one why soe ruined the game.

I'm not asking for EZ mode, I'm asking that the way FTE is applied on this server needs to be evaluated. Having one person under the spawn and throwing a spear to get agro while the other guild kills it with 20, 30, 50, 100, 30000 people is stupid.

Basically don't engage unless you know you can kill it.

[quido]

Maybe people should just get better at realizing that some snipe team stole their precious FTE - that's what we did! When Emong (gotta be shinko) tried to snipe Trak FTE not long ago, our raid was told to stay put and not engage. But when TMO has FTE on Trak by a full 12 seconds, BDA still rushes in and engages the dragon. Why? You tell me.

Of course it is a different situation when both guilds are parked on the spawn, but when it's a situation of a fast engage, I think it's reasonable that people be punished for shitty awareness.