Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !) - Page 14

Lafoirfouille · #1 07-02-2012, 03:19 AM

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Introducing my bro's toy. Of course you can't keep this at your place to defend yourself from people tresspassing...Works just fine on talibans though.

1x 1 canon GIAT 30 de 30 mm (HAP/ARH/HAD)

1 x 12,7 mm or 20 mm en nacelle (UHT)

2x paniers de 22 roquettes de 68 mm

8x missiles air-air Mistral AT AP

Danyelle · #2 07-02-2012, 05:49 AM

You actually own that?

Hasbinlulz · #3 07-05-2012, 02:15 AM

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You actually own that?

Did you know that the word gullible is written on the ceiling above you?

Danyelle · #4 07-02-2012, 08:54 AM

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Nope, my bro flies it that's all. + it's worth 95 million $, a bit out of my league.

Ahh, was about to say...lol

maahes · #5 07-02-2012, 04:14 PM

The exact moment you need the cops to protect you and your loved ones, remember they are just 30 minutes away.

maahes · #6 07-02-2012, 04:25 PM

Okay this thread got me all excited. So glad to see there are still Americans in this country that understand why we have the right to own firearms and why it is so important. Last post.. I'm starting to spam.

If you are the head of a family, the protector of a family, I personally feel it is insanely irresponsable to not own a firearm. This world is a crazy place and if you are not prepared to defend and protect what is yours at any given moment. Well I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

I am a big dude with training, but I know know there are bigger dudes out there with even more training that could over power me inorder to get to my wife and children. I can count on my training, but in this world that only gets me so far.

I don't have time to google the quote, but I think this is very relivant to my comments.

"God created man equal, Smith and Weston made it true." - XXXX

kenzar · #7 07-05-2012, 12:27 AM

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I am a big dude with training, but I know know there are bigger dudes out there with even more training that could over power me inorder to get to my wife and children. I can count on my training, but in this world that only gets me so far.

Ok, WTF would someone want with your wife and children?! I'm assuming in this scenario the attacker who is 'after' your family is out to kill them? If that's the case a house fire would work just as well as storming the door and fighting through you with a lot less effort. Guns don't fight fires last time I checked. Why is it everytime a firearm proponent is setting up a scenario where a gun will be useful its a scenario that is wildly unrealistic. If someone is out to kill you (or anyone for that matter) there are very effective ways to circumvent a firearm (a carbomb can be made by even the most novice person with a little research, a house fire leading to asphyxiation, you can make fucking thermite in any garage in america for fucks sake.) If some idiot is going to come at you from the front door I would argue that they werent serious about actually killing you and that the deadly force you are meeting them with is just unnecessary. But who cares right? You got to kill someone while being within your rights. Hell yeah! American dream!
You want to learn to stop someone from physically hurting you, travel to Israel, train in KM, train with the IDF(there are a ton of schools there run by former IDF instructors, its not fun, its not pretty, it is effective), imo they are the only people who actually use hand to hand combat anymore. You thinking your training will only get you so far is the first indicator that whatever you were trained in is ineffective. If it is an martial art, or based on a martial art, its worthless.

As far as whether or not you think the military would kill its own citizens, if this were 100 years ago where the deadliest thing you had to worry about was a cannon or a gatling gun that a man had to operate on sight, I would agree with you. But it takes a handful of men to press a handful of buttons to more than break any uprising 300,000,000 strong or not. We dont possess the weaponry that our govt possesses...not even fucking close. The 2nd ammendment was a interesting idea when it was proposed. 250 years later its kind of a laughable idea to think 300million people armed with some .223's could fight a war against a govt that can send a missle fired from a fucking submarine straight down your goddamn chimney.

Autotune · #8 07-05-2012, 04:07 AM

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Ok, WTF would someone want with your wife and children?! I'm assuming in this scenario the attacker who is 'after' your family is out to kill them? If that's the case a house fire would work just as well as storming the door and fighting through you with a lot less effort. Guns don't fight fires last time I checked. Why is it everytime a firearm proponent is setting up a scenario where a gun will be useful its a scenario that is wildly unrealistic. If someone is out to kill you (or anyone for that matter) there are very effective ways to circumvent a firearm (a carbomb can be made by even the most novice person with a little research, a house fire leading to asphyxiation, you can make fucking thermite in any garage in america for fucks sake.) If some idiot is going to come at you from the front door I would argue that they werent serious about actually killing you and that the deadly force you are meeting them with is just unnecessary. But who cares right? You got to kill someone while being within your rights. Hell yeah! American dream!
You want to learn to stop someone from physically hurting you, travel to Israel, train in KM, train with the IDF(there are a ton of schools there run by former IDF instructors, its not fun, its not pretty, it is effective), imo they are the only people who actually use hand to hand combat anymore. You thinking your training will only get you so far is the first indicator that whatever you were trained in is ineffective. If it is an martial art, or based on a martial art, its worthless.

As far as whether or not you think the military would kill its own citizens, if this were 100 years ago where the deadliest thing you had to worry about was a cannon or a gatling gun that a man had to operate on sight, I would agree with you. But it takes a handful of men to press a handful of buttons to more than break any uprising 300,000,000 strong or not. We dont possess the weaponry that our govt possesses...not even fucking close. The 2nd ammendment was a interesting idea when it was proposed. 250 years later its kind of a laughable idea to think 300million people armed with some .223's could fight a war against a govt that can send a missle fired from a fucking submarine straight down your goddamn chimney.

You should have thought longer before you posted.

1) Your fire scenario comparison is just as fucking stupid.
2) No form of Hand to Hand (kungfu included) will stop a bullet. You can train to use a firearm in far less time than train to learn any form of hand to hand, without having to travel across the world.
3) Even people in the military have a conscience.

kenzar · #9 07-05-2012, 10:39 AM

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You should have thought longer before you posted.

1) Your fire scenario comparison is just as fucking stupid.

My comparison wasn't a comparison, just an observation. If someone wants to kill you a firearm is one of many options. To assume someone would use a firearm is quite narrow minded. There are a ton of other ways to really kill someone w/o a firearm if you really wanted to do something like that.

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2) No form of Hand to Hand (kungfu included) will stop a bullet. You can train to use a firearm in far less time than train to learn any form of hand to hand, without having to travel across the world.

KM is a defense system that takes about 8-9 weeks to train and become extremely proficient at it. After that initial training people tend to retain about 80-90% of the effective movements. All based on natural reaction, meaning you dont have to necessarily remember a whole lot, just react and muscle memory takes care of the rest. No defense system will stop a bullet; not everyone who wants to hurt you has a gun. Its quite unrealistic to think you will always be armed in any situation that might come along where you would have to defend yourself. It is realistic to believe you will have your arms and legs readily available. Learning to use them effectively could prove useful. Plus KM encompasses an armed fighting system as well, IE fighting with/against someone with a knife/handgun/AR. It's just useful stuff to know, it wont stop a bullet but it's the next best thing.

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3) Even people in the military have a conscience.

Most do I'm sure. My point was that it doesn't take an entire army anymore. Even if 99% of the military refuses, 1% armed with modern military weaponry can make more than a dent in 100% of civilian population armed with .223's and 7.62's. You're deluded if you think every person in the military is a noble do-gooder. Some are I'm sure, but some just enjoy killing. Having a conscience is not on any military entrance exam I've ever seen.

Maybe you should have thought longer before you posted. Your three points of criticism aren't necessary to anyone with a reading comprehension above that of a 5th grader.

Hitchens · #10 07-05-2012, 11:59 AM