TMO raid suspension secretly lifted

[Jimes]

IB leadership blatantly ninja loots a boss corpse after they wiped twice and get a 2 week suspension, which is reduced by an entire week. Why were you all not blowing up the forums over that?

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God I wish I could GM this blue server.

You wouldn't think just twice but three times before acting like this.

I would be beating the shit out of people.

here you go http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=33

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'oh well, suck it up for 48 hours and try not to be in so many petitions'

I sucked it up for 120 hours for doing nothing wrong.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB leadership blatantly ninja loots a boss corpse after they wiped twice and get a 2 week suspension, which is reduced by an entire week. Why were you all not blowing up the forums over that?

Because vd is my children they wouldnt go and do that..

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played on quellious and there was a GM enforced rotation in NTOV after weeks of bitching between Lotus cult and Vis Maior. Ya thats right a GM enforced rotation on live, in the classic trilogy period.

It was more than weeks before the rotation went into effect, and it was only GM-enforced in that the GMs enforced the agreement that VM and LC came to. Both guilds scrapped and clawed in NToV until the GMs demanded they come to an agreement or get booted out of NToV. They agreed on a rotation and the GMs "enforced" it, although I can't remember an instance when there was an attempt to break the agreement. FWIW, that agreement lasted into Luclin and beyond.

I'd be fine with that, too, but I was getting at the early days of NToV on Quellious. There were no rules, and it was fun as hell.

[Once]

So whats with all this high level gear being sold on EC suddenly?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sucked it up for 120 hours for doing nothing wrong.

Wow, way to quote out of context. As I said 90% of my problem was the manner in which things were handled [facebook posts, secret meetings] rather than the actual decisions. and if I were Amelinda I would make my decisions final for the simple reason that I wouldn't want to be listening to appeals all the time.

FWIW, I think the original ban was handled poorly too for the simple reason that TMO didn't get a chance to respond. Which is why I feel we need a PUBLIC petition forum, where only guildleaders can post etc etc.

[Frieza_Prexus]

No, the principle doesn't hold. They have logs here, there are fraps, everything can be documented in a highly controlled environment. If every crime occurred between the same two gangs, on video camera, and within a 12-block radius, there wouldn't be any reason for an appeals process. They're not policing an entire country with a hundred thousand different laws, they're policing a few zones in a video game with 3 or 4 rules that warrant suspension. Unlike in the real world, certainty is not only possible, it should be requisite for such a large-scale punishment.

If you're not sure, you don't make the call for a guild-wide raid suspension. If you are sure, you don't change your mind just because you're being harassed.

We submitted our own evidence and matched it up with the other submission to verify it. This was enough to make a difference. You're assuming perfect information exists. That is fallacious.

You're disallowing the possibility of error. The principle I cited absolutely does transfer. To use my previous example: this is a reason superior courts exist in the real world. Error can creep into a ruling at any level, and lack of corrective procedure is manifestly unjust.

Would you happily submit to a punishment that you believed, in good faith, to be erroneous?

I suspect you would not.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Once [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So whats with all this high level gear being sold on EC suddenly?

Apparently some IB members are "done" with the server, like Szeth and maybe Motec, at the least.

If you mean over the past few weeks, it's because epics are replacing some high end gear, plus raid gear saturation has finally hit. After a year of farming the same content, I think bank alts are finally filling up.

[relapsee69]

Originally Posted by Once [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So whats with all this high level gear being sold on EC suddenly?

IB leaving to play on eqmac