A history of (the lack of) VP

[Seaweedpimp]

VP key complete

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL wiping would make it even worse:

a) A certain percentage of players (mostly casual) would not want to level up toons again, and not come back after wipe.

b) You still have two organized uber guilds that, now issued a new, fresh competitive challenge, will re-organize similarly to try to beat each other now that they perceive they're on equal footing.

c) These min-maxers, now having started all at the same time instead of trickling in as they happened upon P99, will camp the highest XP zones (Crushbone/belts, Blackburrow/gnoll fangs, Unrest, Oasis, Guk/SolB/Kedge... you know the drill) and cockblock the other guild (and everyone else on the server) by attempting to monopolize coveted spawns (FBSS, etc). This will drive other casual players away.

d) Planar/Dragon/God poopsocking/cockblocking/training/drama all over again, within 2 months. Right back where we started.

So, you want a server wipe? I hear there's a brand new server starting up soon. And there won't be any poopsocking on it, so you can have true competition. You can all start at level 1 and see which guild is the best over there! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This ^

Let me underscore the fact that if there were a wipe, many players would loose trust in the powers that be. What would be the point of regrowing new chars if at any time those in control might aribtrarily decide they need to wipe? The game is in reality, a huge time waster anyway - a wipe would only underscore that fact and yes, many would never return.

The people that advocate wipe probably have no real life and so would not mind so much. Well, a lot of us do have actual lives filled with responsibilities and we have to arrange things to get any kind of decent, but still limited, play time. A wipe would just be a kick in the teeth.

[Silentone]

One option even though im completely against it, is implementing the PoP raid frame where you could have 72 people I believe in a raid...then when u engage the target it greyed out to people out side the raid. That way FTE = Win..no GM intervention no nothing. Again i know its not classic...but holding out on VP because we have two guilds who are competetive is plain silly....

[azeth]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL wiping would make it even worse:

a) A certain percentage of players (mostly casual) would not want to level up toons again, and not come back after wipe.

b) You still have two organized uber guilds that, now issued a new, fresh competitive challenge, will re-organize similarly to try to beat each other now that they perceive they're on equal footing.

c) These min-maxers, now having started all at the same time instead of trickling in as they happened upon P99, will camp the highest XP zones (Crushbone/belts, Blackburrow/gnoll fangs, Unrest, Oasis, Guk/SolB/Kedge... you know the drill) and cockblock the other guild (and everyone else on the server) by attempting to monopolize coveted spawns (FBSS, etc). This will drive other casual players away.

d) Planar/Dragon/God poopsocking/cockblocking/training/drama all over again, within 2 months. Right back where we started.

So, you want a server wipe? I hear there's a brand new server starting up soon. And there won't be any poopsocking on it, so you can have true competition. You can all start at level 1 and see which guild is the best over there! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yendor, I'm sure you'll understand the following statement is in no way meant negatively.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Yendor is the epitome of the high-end casual player. Now, I was never in his guild, nor have we spoken more than a few times. Though, I am familiar with his playtime, attitude (positive) and demeanor from the forums and the few times we spoke.

Basically, you are responding to Daliant, who represents another archetypical player - the high end committed raider. I think we can all easily jump to the conclusion that you inherently would not agree with losing your character given:

a.) you do not plan, and more importantly desire to race to raid high end content like VP.
b.) as a "casual" player you likely have invested more time in building your non tangible character rep as opposed to your inventory
c.) any reason to wipe the server has literally 0 baring on your gameplay, apart from price adjustments in EC.

Now, there really is no compromise given the 2 options are polar opposite - either wipe it or don't wipe it. I don't think anyone's thoughts really need to be hashed out, you might as well just post your stereotype (casual or raider) and we can all easily identify your opinion on the subject.

also, no i still dont play here i just dont have any calls to make @ work right now.

[Kika Maslyaka]

wipe the sever - loose half of population over night.
If not more...

[Zeelot]

This thread has been completely derailed into a "wipe it clean" thread. lol.
The raid situation has been improving. We'll govern ourselves if we have to. There's been virtually no server staff supervising raids for weeks and issues have been minimal. Lets keep it up. The key is communication.

[Orruar]

Blaming the devs for the actions of the players is laughable. This notion that somehow they have created an environment where people will act like tards just deflects the responsibility from the people acting like tards to anyone else they can find. This is typical tard behavior, so I'm not so surprised. Put any system in place, and they'll find a way to tard it up. My theory is this: At some point in the past, some critically retarded mass was formed on server. It was enough that any new person coming along wanting to raid on this server had to face the retarded reality in front of him. Any mildly intelligent person would distance themselves from such a system, while the tards flocked to it. Any real leader of these guilds would have put an end to this kind of shit long ago. But it seems they enjoy the drama and bullshit going on, so it will continue.

This server is what you (the players) make of it, and you've turned it into a tard infested hellhole. That is your only real accomplishment. The Trak kills could have been done by anyone with a pulse. This raid content is so ridiculously easy that monkeys mashing the keyboard would have a reasonable chance of success. But monkeys could have never turned a wonderful idea of a server into a shithole with constant bullshit drama over pixels. Bravo, top guilds. Bravo.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yendor, I'm sure you'll understand the following statement is in no way meant negatively.

I didn't take it to be. But if you look at what I said objectively, without knowing that I posted it from my particular bias, and excusing the fact that it's off-topic and directed at the "wipe-it-cleaners", would you agree that's pretty much how it would play out (i.e. we'd be in the same place within two months after the min-maxers raced to 50 and started fighting over boss mobs again)? If not, why not? If so, how would that be healthy for the server?

And then the $10,000 question: Can we then expect the "wipe-it-cleaners" to start over on the fresh R99 server, where the true competition will be, or are they only happy if everyone here loses everything, just out of spite?

I'm thinking it's the latter, and has nothing to do with a fresh start for everyone... because they can have that in a few weeks over on R99. They just gotta overcome a few more challenges...

[Cyrano]

Real $10,000 question: What do we need to do, as players, to get VP opened?

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real $10,000 question: What do we need to do, as players, to get VP opened?

If it's finished, it's as simple as setting the server to load the zone (it currently isn't just locked, the server isn't booting it up) and unlocking it. What do we have to do to make this happen?