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[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of these are adult debates.

I am in agreement that its really hard to consider many p99 forum people adults capable of debate. Other than that though your comment seems like you place too much emphasis on the results that stem from education prior to university. If you talk to high school graduates you will discover they are hip to cultural trends rather than being in any place of moral sophistication.

On the other hand if you mean that the current hot button topics of modern politics aren't debatable then you have drifted into authoritarianism even if it doesn't have any bite since you are a forum dweller rather than a Govt operative. History would indicate authoritarianism can come from either the left or the right and stems from silencing political opposition into submission.

Using language is a human technology. It is a way for humans from different cultures to connect, share ideas, and challenge preconceived notions. New technologies don't always replace old ones. And just because we have the technological power to do something doesn't make it always a good idea to do. We have nuclear weapons but the use of them would be devastating.

You aren't interacting on these forums with a steelman.

[arvidez]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still say a k-12 education that isn't invested in coddling sectarian reality accommodations dissolves everything this forum currently argues about.

Some people here clearly got educated. Others, I can basically peg where you dropped out of the data flow. You think I am kidding?

None of these are adult debates. You have to be willfully ignorant of what we know, to post what the "Make the 20th Century Go Away!" folks post. And it's 2023.

So stale. You guys gonna still be arguing about trannies in the nursing homes. Technology now gives human beings the ability to fuck with their gender characteristics and their sexual organs themselves. That's called Popular Mechanics 2023.

Watch. It's funny if you just adopt a technological determinist perspective. Soon, scientists and industry will figure out a way to turn hormonal states on and off. People will transition several times, perhaps.

Meanwhile, all the current trannies will be pissed, just like old school feminists are currently pissed. "You can't just become things like that back and forth!"

(Do posters here realize most older feminists are anti-trans? And are shedding tears on the regular just like the Christocrats?)

Humans orbit the potentials of their technology. Which is developing toward a singularity.

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we are surviving our technology. humans resist even when resistance is futile. we are the people not the symptom.

[magnetaress]

Ya. Well. You don't gotta be edumacated to vote, own property, or operate vehicles and modern weapons. You basically just need to be a youtubby thott. With a sponsor.

Lol.

[Seducio]

Magnetaress, in no way am I knocking the university of hard knocks. Every human learns in their own way and you won't find an apologist for modern academia in me. The 'Evergreening' of the modern American Ivory Tower is not something good for anyone including those that are part of that movement. The Marcusian/Gramscian/Dutschke 'Long March thru the Institutions' is nearly complete in the academy and most Americans are clueless about that and its meaning.

I'm calling out Sadre's claim that the debates happening here on these forums are beneath anyone with what we call a K-12 education. Sadre is claiming that having a new styled k-12 education in place - especially if it came from an educational environment that doesn't pander to a Judea-Christian morality - will makes these debates mute and obsolete.

Sadre's perspective appears similar to anyone on the inside of modern academia. Others with different viewpoints are not welcome to challenge the paradigm. To have career success in an ivory tower setting it makes sense to virtue signal values everyone shares that you are on the 'right side of history' like other academics. Sadly this creates an echo chamber that others not caught up in needing to virtue signal at the academy can see through. This is much to the chagrin of folks like Sadre who have broken recorded themselves into a belief system they adopted from other colleagues merely to fit in.

[Evia]

all our school systems did was create a generation of kids who are really good at repeating information someone else provided for them.

they're incapable of critical thinking, or thinking for themselves, because the k-12 system beats it out of them. There is always someone else who has done the work for you and has already found the answer. The students job is to stop questioning it and accept that, then regurgitate what they've been told and shown.

Now we have a society filled with adults with 'degrees' and none of them have any real skills or are capable of thinking for themselves. The answer is they wanna cry and whine to big daddy gov to forgive their debt
because they weren't smart enough to realize the loans they were getting were predatory in nature.

...and this is our elite and educated class ladies and gentlemen.....

its no fucking wonder america is in decline

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all our school systems did was create a generation of kids who are really good at repeating information someone else provided for them.

they're incapable of critical thinking, or thinking for themselves, because the k-12 system beats it out of them. There is always someone else who has done the work for you and has already found the answer. The students job is to stop questioning it and accept that, then regurgitate what they've been told and shown.

Now we have a society filled with adults with 'degrees' and none of them have any real skills or are capable of thinking for themselves. The answer is they wanna cry and whine to big daddy gov to forgive their debt
because they weren't smart enough to realize the loans they were getting were predatory in nature.

...and this is our elite and educated class ladies and gentlemen.....

its no fucking wonder america is in decline

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[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Nah. The West is a military alliance. Let me know when that fails. It doesn't exist as any kind of cultural monolith in the way some perceive it to whether you are propagandized from the right or propagandized from the left. Anyone that perceives the west as monoolithic such needs to walk down their street in Anytown USA, talk to five different neighbors/strangers, and open their eyes.

The west just another long con economic game. Like other capitalistic economies around the world. The grand steal. In response to historically world level riches US has accumulated - those that have adopted the politics of envy, socialists, want a piece of the pie because it looks delicious. Socialists typically will target successful capitalist societies because they want the riches for themselves. Remember when you were a kid playing with your own toy and enjoying your time? A socialist is the person who sees that good time, wants 'your toy', and tells the teacher he should have a turn with 'your toy' and then cries until it happens. The socialist will use whatever means of social manipulation available to get it. Accusations, lies, claims of victoomhood to secure false empathy, and others are just the tip of the iceberg.

But historically it's been proven time and time again that they underestimate both their own selfishness and the unending perseverance of those that they attack.

A capitalist creates rules that steal your time and undervalue your worth. A socialist believes that what you have isn't yours.

As far as the academy in the west. The smart play right now if you had a son would be to train him to be a leader of college educated and trained obedient folks. Hiring college grads has never been cheaper. Families with boys are just going to stop sending their smart kids, in particular boys, to university if they continue be treated as they currently are there. Less then 40% of 18 teen year old Freshman undergrads are boys currently and declines each year. The education industry is headed toward a revenue crisis that only their accountants know about and they are told to shut since it doesn't fit the narrative.

Current universities are openly hostile to boys, men, and success in general. Universities dictate your morality, will tell you your parents suck at living in the world the way they were raised, and give you skills nobody wants and that you will forget upon graduation, all while placing in you debt for the next 10 years effectively stealing from your future.

If you are a man and do display any kind of opinion that is not accepted at the academy prepare for the worst. When you display your lettered education to others you will quickly learn that is a bad idea. Instead you are supposed to obey what your supposed betters - the elites - tell you to believe. When you are told to take a medical shot. You take a medical shot. No questions. Just Obey. When you are told the world is ending. You believe the world is ending. No questions. Just Obey. You basically graduate into a paradigm of never needing to think for yourself ever again.

Eventually though you meet a human who can think

[Toxigen]

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[Origen]

It was a joke. Unfortunately, the west is alive and well, despite the reactionary tendency to gripe and bloviate about things they don't understand.

At some point the extremely online rightoid became convinced that "many words = smart" because of the Ben Shapiros of this world.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, the west is alive and well,

hey fuckwad, why dont you go live in some communist shithole then and gtfo

we dont need libcuck soy drinking pussy men like you anyway