student loans are a hit!

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my precious scorecard! The opinions of fascists and those that enable them in pretend intellectual discussions are very important to me

Buddy they're gonna say the same thing you did but about a different cohort of offenders.

And you've already given your rational approval for the concept.

Suck less.

[Trexller]

[Trexller]

males always receive a harsher sentence than females for the exact same crime

don't even mention divorce court

funny how in the age of "equity" nobody ever bitches about the ways that dudes get fucked over

[Ooloo]

Guys lets just not have laws cause they don't do anything. Studies have shown it!!

Here's a study: I don't commit crime cause I don't want to go to jail. End of study.

[unsunghero]

The difference between giving away 10 years of your life, especially as a younger offender, versus like 20-30 years, is beyond words better. Not to mention for middle aged offenders, the idea of giving away the best decades of your life to a complete shithole prison, and getting out at the nice old age, is just as bad mentally on someone as doing a few years?

Is anyone really trying to make this argument?

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference between giving away 10 years of your life, especially as a younger offender, versus like 20-30 years, is beyond words better. Not to mention for middle aged offenders, the idea of giving away the best decades of your life to a complete shithole prison, and getting out at the nice old age, is just as bad mentally on someone as doing a few years?

Is anyone really trying to make this argument?

Well see there's a study, so... that means its true. It also means there totally aren't other studies that directly contradict it.

It's just laughably absurd. If the penalty for jaywalking was 30 years in prison instead of a stern talking-to, would there be more or less jaywalking? Apparently it would make absolutely no difference to jaywalking rates, because of the magic study!

This is the danger of venerating every generic academic; some of them are really stupid, and the methodology of their studies is dogshit and they set out with a particular conclusion in mind that they're searching for from the get-go. That's not science. But it sounds sciency enough to convince people.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well see there's a study, so... that means its true. It also means there totally aren't other studies that directly contradict it.

It's just laughably absurd. If the penalty for jaywalking was 30 years in prison instead of a stern talking-to, would there be more or less jaywalking? Apparently it would make absolutely no difference to jaywalking rates, because of the magic study!

This is the danger of venerating every generic academic; some of them are really stupid, and the methodology of their studies is dogshit and they set out with a particular conclusion in mind that they're searching for from the get-go. That's not science. But it sounds sciency enough to convince people.

The legal system gives millions and millions of dollars to people who give decades of their life for wrongful imprisonment. If we are going to attach a dollar value for how bad it is to give away the entire time when your body is in the prime of its life in a complete shithole

[loramin]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference between giving away 10 years of your life, especially as a younger offender, versus like 20-30 years, is beyond words better. Not to mention for middle aged offenders, the idea of giving away the best decades of your life to a complete shithole prison, and getting out at the nice old age, is just as bad mentally on someone as doing a few years?

Is anyone really trying to make this argument?

Right, you're saying that as a rational adult, assuming you're going to get caught. But criminals don't think that way.

I used to shoplift as a kid. Now, if we had the death penalty for shoplifting or something, that might have stopped me. Otherwise though, I was going to shoplift without even knowing the exact consequences of getting caught, because I didn't think I was going to get caught.

And again, for more serious crimes like murder ... if someone is considering murdering another person, they're not thinking very much about the number of years in their sentence if they get caught: that's just human nature.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, you're saying that as a rational adult, assuming you're going to get caught. But criminals don't think that way.

I used to shoplift as a kid. Now, if we had the death penalty for shoplifting or something, that might have stopped me. Otherwise though, I was going to shoplift without even knowing the exact consequences of getting caught, because I didn't think I was going to get caught.

And again, for more serious crimes like murder ... if someone is considering murdering another person, they're not thinking very much about the number of years in their sentence if they get caught: that's just human nature.

THEN IT STILL STANDS

that a person in prison is a person who is unable to commit offenses to the public. So the LONGER they are in prison, the longer that period where the public is safe from them

Keep neglecting that part aren’t we

Not to mention, no one really knows how many criminals heard through word of mouth or elsewhere about a sentence and decided not to. No one is going to voluntarily report that in some stupid study or survey

[loramin]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THEN IT STILL STANDS

that a person in prison is a person who is unable to commit offenses to the public. So the LONGER they are in prison, the longer that period where the public is safe from them

Keep neglecting that part aren’t we

Not to mention, no one really knows how many criminals heard through word of mouth or elsewhere about a sentence and decided not to. No one is going to voluntarily report that in some stupid study or survey

You don't need a survey. You look at state #1 that gives 10 years for a crime and state #2 that gives 20 years: it's that simple.

When you do, you see that the crime rate is the same in both states: state #2's harsher penalty didn't deter anyone.