100k to make a monk twink - solo only

[Knuckle]

Monk was always my plan to be a main, you literally cant bring a druid to many raid events, who wants to waste DKP on that? I kind of gave up guessing the 50/50 on when druid is not going to be shamed to play on raids, not that I play all that much or was ever that useful as a raider except CH bot.

Furthermore...I'd almost say outside of main tanks DKP is basically play money, since 90% of the time you are encouraged to play bots.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk was always my plan to be a main, you literally cant bring a druid to many raid events, who wants to waste DKP on that? I kind of gave up guessing the 50/50 on when druid is not going to be shamed to play on raids, not that I play all that much or was ever that useful as a raider except CH bot.

Furthermore...I'd almost say outside of main tanks DKP is basically play money, since 90% of the time you are encouraged to play bots.

Great point - and it's a damning indictment of the bot system - a self-feeding, never-ending cycle of players using bots on raids to gear their alts - alts they will never play on raids because they use bots.

I was never a fan of the system of calling people out mid raid and commanding them to swap to a "more useful" character or a bot. Let people play what they want - especially people who are more casual. It's pretty foolish to assume people will be happy to leave the character they spent dozens of hours of grinding exp to get to raid level - to then swap to a toon they have absolutely 0 commitment or attachment to, so that people with large DKP banks can get their 11th BiS item.

My response was always to just log out and do something else. I play EQ for fun - I have a job that pays my bills - where I have responsibilities to a larger system - but many hardcore raiders treat P99 as if it was a job.. A job that they sink countless hours into and don't get any type of real-world gains from. As a matter of fact, I once had a well-known raid leader tell me "people put 8 hours a day into this job" talking about levelling bots, etc. My response, "this is a game, bro."

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great point - and it's a damning indictment of the bot system - a self-feeding, never-ending cycle of players using bots on raids to gear their alts - alts they will never play on raids because they use bots.

I was never a fan of the system of calling people out mid raid and commanding them to swap to a "more useful" character or a bot. Let people play what they want - especially people who are more casual. It's pretty foolish to assume people will be happy to leave the character they spent dozens of hours of grinding exp to get to raid level - to then swap to a toon they have absolutely 0 commitment or attachment to, so that people with large DKP banks can get their 11th BiS item.

My response was always to just log out and do something else. I play EQ for fun - I have a job that pays my bills - where I have responsibilities to a larger system - but many hardcore raiders treat P99 as if it was a job.. A job that they sink countless hours into and don't get any type of real-world gains from. As a matter of fact, I once had a well-known raid leader tell me "people put 8 hours a day into this job" talking about levelling bots, etc. My response, "this is a game, bro."

Whats wrong with a scrub like knuckle playing druid during raids and than out bidding a main for loot? Lol. He will be 60 by 2030 rofl

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whats wrong with a scrub like knuckle playing druid during raids and than out bidding a main for loot? Lol. He will be 60 by 2030 rofl

I mean I don't even raid that much, I have spurts where I'd hit really high raid % for a few months at a time, but most of my raid time was during work because most of my analyst work was kind of interval based, meaning some days your just working 12 hrs straight, but then sometimes its like 2-3 days of 3-4 hrs of work a day. So on those days I could knock out some raids, but I rarely could step up on challenging roles and some of the more advanced FTE engage shit on like Vulak and stuff it was like, ehh I am just not even gonna go to this because I am going to end up having to AFK and wipe a raid or make the guild get a 30 day ban or something. And yeah Rogue bot is my favorite jam but the problem is a lot of raids would be really low numbers sometimes and I would feel bad not being able to be a playmaker, but that's just the skill/effort level I've been at in regards to my time commitment to EQ for the last 5 or so years.

Anyway I don't really have any complaints, I am just saying at its core, the DKP really doesn't effect the raid unless you are early in classic or something, so if I save up DKP for 3-6 months for my monk to get something I don't really feel bad. I also had to go through the same shit every new player/recruit went through where the hardcore dudes are gearing up their 8th toon and your getting outbid on your only toon. So it's all just a thing to me.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean I don't even raid that much, I have spurts where I'd hit really high raid % for a few months at a time, but most of my raid time was during work because most of my analyst work was kind of interval based, meaning some days your just working 12 hrs straight, but then sometimes its like 2-3 days of 3-4 hrs of work a day. So on those days I could knock out some raids, but I rarely could step up on challenging roles and some of the more advanced FTE engage shit on like Vulak and stuff it was like, ehh I am just not even gonna go to this because I am going to end up having to AFK and wipe a raid or make the guild get a 30 day ban or something. And yeah Rogue bot is my favorite jam but the problem is a lot of raids would be really low numbers sometimes and I would feel bad not being able to be a playmaker, but that's just the skill/effort level I've been at in regards to my time commitment to EQ for the last 5 or so years.

Anyway I don't really have any complaints, I am just saying at its core, the DKP really doesn't effect the raid unless you are early in classic or something, so if I save up DKP for 3-6 months for my monk to get something I don't really feel bad. I also had to go through the same shit every new player/recruit went through where the hardcore dudes are gearing up their 8th toon and your getting outbid on your only toon. So it's all just a thing to me.

You should thank whatever company hired you to do anything more than give stickers to customers entering the establishment. You may be a full retard after all.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway I don't really have any complaints, I am just saying at its core, the DKP really doesn't effect the raid unless you are early in classic or something, so if I save up DKP for 3-6 months for my monk to get something I don't really feel bad. I also had to go through the same shit every new player/recruit went through where the hardcore dudes are gearing up their 8th toon and your getting outbid on your only toon. So it's all just a thing to me.

thats right buddy its your dkp to spend as you see fit

I had a blast gearing a 46 warrior just to xp to 60 and never tanked a raid mob - had top end (not necessarily BiS) gear in every slot when I was "done."

[Snaggles]

Few guilds “demand” people to swap. They should, but they don’t.

Not many people are self aware enough for realize if there in an excess of their class at a raid where the effect isn’t cumulative. Even less are humble enough to realize when they aren’t the most skilled, best geared, and/or hardest working of that class. It’s why you get 10 shamans at AoW, or a dozen Knights in ToV that won’t volunteer to tank trash.

If you are going to warmbody, play a bot. Or level a class you can chill out on and still actually contribute.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Few guilds “demand” people to swap. They should, but they don’t.

you're not killing much with a bunch of druids but few clerics

don't want to swap to a more useful class? you shouldn't be raiding

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't want to swap to a more useful class? you shouldn't be raiding

Moot point. There's 60+ people on every raid these days. Nobody runs small-ops anymore. Let people play whatever they want - because at the end of the day it's 6 people doing all the heavy lifting anyway, with a few extras who main clerics for the CH chain.

If you have a geared warrior tank, and a handful of clerics chain casting CH - the rest of the comp is just for efficiency.

Let people play what they want ffs

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moot point. There's 60+ people on every raid these days. Nobody runs small-ops anymore. Let people play whatever they want - because at the end of the day it's 6 people doing all the heavy lifting anyway, with a few extras who main clerics for the CH chain.

If you have a geared warrior tank, and a handful of clerics chain casting CH - the rest of the comp is just for efficiency.

Let people play what they want ffs

I feel like we won enough raids, surely at this point it is more fun to make use of what shows up? Or maybe it is better to run the exact same encounter for the 300th time.