Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

I'll throw in another vote for Enc/Enc/Clr/Nec. The utility you gain from the Necro will likely outweigh the additional DPS from the Mage over the long term. And when you really want to go ham you have the option for the third charm pet in many zones. Under no circumstances would you ever want a Shaman. DSM seriously making the argument that a Shaman can out-DPS a Mage because he root rots four mobs at a time is one of the most breathtaking displays of autism ever seen on these boards. He keeps falling back on the math. Well, that's kind of like saying that because you can shotgun a single beer in five seconds, you're capable of drinking 720 beers per hour. The math checks out, but in practice this is not how real life works. Shamans are not a group DPS class because no group wastes time root rotting four mobs at a time. If you're killing that slowly why even have a group in the first place?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll throw in another vote for Enc/Enc/Clr/Nec. The utility you gain from the Necro will likely outweigh the additional DPS from the Mage over the long term. And when you really want to go ham you have the option for the third charm pet in many zones. Under no circumstances would you ever want a Shaman. DSM seriously making the argument that a Shaman can out-DPS a Mage because he root rots four mobs at a time is one of the most breathtaking displays of autism ever seen on these boards. He keeps falling back on the math. Well, that's kind of like saying that because you can shotgun a single beer in five seconds, you're capable of drinking 720 beers per hour. The math checks out, but in practice this is not how real life works. Shamans are not a group DPS class because no group wastes time root rotting four mobs at a time. If you're killing that slowly why even have a group in the first place?

It would work in practice just fine. Again, your preference does not mean Mage is superior. You just prefer having a Mage. That's fine, but that doesn't make them better.

People really don't seem to have the capacity to think about how to kill mobs it seems, or how DPS works. You can have 5 mobs in camp, 3 being DoTed, 2 being handled by the Enchanters and their pets. Then the pets can attack the DoTed mobs to finish them off.

Remember how Troxx's DPS range was 75-157? You don't need max DoT ticking every time to get the majority of the DPS out of the DoTs lol. You can use Bane if you want too, that only lasts 7 ticks.

At the end of the day both methods would achieve the same DPS. But in reality most people don't actually care about DPS, which is why the whole entire premise of the argument is silly. You won't gear check players, and you are fine with muzzle instead of Tolapumj's Robe, but then you will say Mage is superior because it supposedly can DPS better. Ironic, considering you lose DPS by using muzzle and not gear checking players hehe.

[Vexenu]

Ironically, the only time a Shaman could even sniff a spot in a theoretical best four-man caster group would be alongside a Mage, and that's only if Enchanters were disallowed for some reason.

Three Mages + Shaman is pretty fantastic. Drop a slow and the pets just start chainsawing away at the mob. Barely even need to heal them.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ironically, the only time a Shaman could even sniff a spot in a theoretical best four-man caster group would be alongside a Mage, and that's only if Enchanters were disallowed for some reason.

Three Mages + Shaman is pretty fantastic. Drop a slow and the pets just start chainsawing away at the mob. Barely even need to heal them.

Enchanter Enchanter Enchanter Shaman would be better. No need for the theoretical nonsense.

[PatChapp]

I don't understand why anyone is arguing about DPS. A group with multiple charm pets is not lacking DPS. Mages are useful at fungi king to coth players as you swap out. That's about it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why anyone is arguing about DPS. A group with multiple charm pets is not lacking DPS. Mages are useful at fungi king to coth players as you swap out. That's about it

Exactly.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM seriously making the argument that a Shaman can out-DPS a Mage because he root rots four mobs at a time is one of the most breathtaking displays of autism ever seen on these boards.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why anyone is arguing about DPS. A group with multiple charm pets is not lacking DPS.

They are arguing about DPS, because DSM made some inflammatory claims about mage vs shaman dps, and people engaged with him seriously, which as we've seen over the past few weeks is futile.

The mage is there to malo and provide a beefy pet to tank when charm breaks, which with 2 enchanters is doubly valuable. The utility is also non-trivial while overall DPS is not significantly lower than 3x chanter.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are arguing about DPS, because DSM made some inflammatory claims about mage vs shaman dps, and people engaged with him seriously, which as we've seen over the past few weeks is futile.

The mage is there to malo and provide a beefy pet to tank when charm breaks, which with 2 enchanters is doubly valuable. The utility is also non-trivial while overall DPS is not significantly lower than 3x chanter.

Lol you think factual math is inflammatory. Sorry reality isn't good enough for you. Mages just aren't that special, I am sorry.

[PatChapp]

Mage offers much less than a shaman here. But shaman offers much less than a cleric or necro. Stuns/screaming terror more utility than Malo.
Multiple charm breaks will happen simultaneously, more assistance is better than a bit of dps