Roe v. Wade

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing people are talking about are states with "Trigger Laws" in place. So as soon as roe is overturned, some deep red states plan to enact legislation that will make it criminal for residents to travel to other states to carry out an abortion.

I'm all for as little fed government oversight as possible. Leave most of it to the states.

I don't think states can do that, but I'm willing to learn.

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think states can do that, but I'm willing to learn.

I’m wondering about that as well. That would be very draconian

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you oppose abortion I really don't see how you can have any problem with this.

I oppose abortion STRONGLY! I think it's murder, personally.

However! I think it's more criminal for me to FORCE my views onto another person, and their own body, because of my truth. They wanna argue it's not a baby and it's just cells. Do i agree with them? Absolutely not. But it's their truth.

Just like I think it's unfair of people to try and force their medical beliefs and preventive medicine onto others who oppose. What they might call science and truth, another might see as poison and lies.

Who's right in either scenario?

I stand for the constitution and freedom of choice because imho it's the only fair and reasonable thing we have without GOD himself here to direct us.

[Jibartik]

Shouldn't it be illegal to murder people?

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shouldn't it be illegal to murder people?

Yes, I think so. However the opposing argument is that it's not murder because it's not a life "yet"

I don't agree with that, but who am I to say my view is superior to theirs? Like I said, without GOD here to answer these questions for us it's up to us to decide what we believe is the right thing. So personal freedom is everything.

If these pro abortionist people are in fact killing babies then they can talk to GOD about why they felt it wasn't a real baby.

If these anti vaxers are harming others by not getting a vaccine then they can talk to GOD about why they felt it wasn't necessary.

Why are we trying to play GOD ourselves and push our ideas and views down each other's throats? Shouldn't thou not judge? Lest you be judged yourself?

[Jibartik]

ok so this is a debate about what a life with rights is.

Your argument is what?

Mine is that once you there is conception, a baby will come out of the woman UNLESS you a. destroy it, or b. a tragic accident happens and it is destroyed.

so if destroying is =/= to killing then it should be alright to destroy a person.

OR you are saying destroying = killing, and that the fetus is different than mankind... however, without killing it, there is no other final result except: mankind.

It is not a "clump of cells" anymore than you are, the difference is that you can walk and talk... and if we're using that to define "person" then abortion should be OK until age like 5.

If we're saying you cant kill it if it looks like a person, than it should be illegal to destroy a doll.

What, science, can you argue that it is NOT person at conception?

[Kaveh]

Most pregnancies end in spontaneous termination before the mother even knows it Jib

I don’t think your above argument holds up scientifically

[Horza]

I'm pretty sure Christian fanatics like our friend here could care less about scientific validity.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most pregnancies end in spontaneous termination before the mother even knows it Jib

I don’t think your above argument holds up scientifically

That's a complete non-sequitur to what jib is saying. He already acknowledged that a pregnancy can end by accident.

We're talking about doing it knowingly, that's obviously the key point. This decision is not forcing views onto anyone. States are now free to legislate abortion as the voters in those states see fit. Dems, who claim that democracy is in danger here, are opposing voters having the ability to determine what happens in their own states.

Think that over...

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most pregnancies end in spontaneous termination before the mother even knows it Jib

I don’t think your above argument holds up scientifically

What does this mean, spontaneous termination before the mother even knows it?

If you're saying sometimes a baby does not come out because of natural reasons (tragedy) then that's not the same as you saying you punched it in the face and killed it means its natural.