Two-Boxing

[redgiant]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never really understood the totalitarian stance against 2-boxing here. EQ is not a solo friendly game ...

You are correct, EQ is not a solo friendly game. It isn't supposed to be, other than the well-known classes and cases that can do so by its design for kiting, pets, etc. And even then the definition of 'solo' is not exactly what Wowtards would call solo today.

First law of human MMO behavior: If it is perceived as solo-friendly, you will solo. Not group. It's the reason any other MMO out there has no need for grouping. It is a big part of why people don't say 2 words to each other, or get to know many players through their characters any more.

Boxing is the same as mercs, and supposedly for the same rationale.

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... one that takes away even a smidgen of the noob friendliness of later expacs, its even more unfriendly here. ...

Lol, what? EQ at its friendliest and most social was classic, Kunark, Velious.

Now if by n00b friendliest, you mean "easy fights, no penalties, overpowered gear, soloable or mercable, no class interdependence/socialization for travel or economy" then I guess later expansions would be all that.

If you think those are normal traits for EQ to have, then you should play on live (or Fippy to pretend to play classic) - those are the antithesis of why p99 was made and who mainly plays it.

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Btw, I hope when they check for boxing, they check machine ID and not just MAC address of network cards, since you can have 2 clients on the same machine using a different card. But also checking to ensure different machines means they would have to fake using a VM or really have 2 machines, and boxing usually isn't done acrss VMs or machines.

Legit people always play on diff machines; boxers almost never do (other than VMs maybe if they knew machine ID was being checked).

If you can detect physical host machine ID, even better to not be fooled by VMs either.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by redgiant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think those are normal traits for EQ to have, then you should play on live (or Fippy to pretend to play classic) - those are the antithesis of why p99 was made and who mainly plays it.

Actually, I did fippy for a couple of months, but the raid guilds there make the ones on P99 look like saints. That and every mob over level 50 is perma-camped. It was fun leveling up, but the servers were way too crowded in the beginning. Maybe its better now, but I've found a new server to explore that does allow boxing, and having a blast. Bonus is its F2P.

[HarrisonIsStillPosting]

2boxing destroys the game.

[Hitchens]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

You should leave opinions out of any argument you intend to be taken seriously. Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion. Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion. However, that being said, you are still right. There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing, since there is no modern EQ server that also prohibits boxing.

In the end, the staff of any given server, be it Sony, Rogean, Cavedude etc, has the final say in what they want on their server and boxing is included in that. Since you shouldn't expect them to make a second server, one for boxing and one without it, just to satiate your needs (It'd be pointless anyway, most of the players would play the boxing enabled server just for convenience-sake whether they box themselves or not.) you're left to make the decision of what you want more. Classic EQ? Or the ability to box 2+ characters? People should thoroughly think that over before starting to play on P99, because the server's rules aren't going to change just for you.

[Sephiroth781]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion.

FACT: Omens of War Destroyed EQ

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion.

There seems to be a lot of people who share this supposed opinion. Not disputing it though, just wanted to point that out.

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box.

Because of this server rule my wife and I can't play together. Life has intervened for those responsible for approving IP Exemptions. If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here. Admittedly I don't have all of the information, but if this is a recurring theme, then one has to question why.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing.

Modern servers and servers that prohibit boxing are NOT polar opposites. I've been on live long enough to know that close to everyone boxes or has the ability to box. For some, mercs are too much of an XP drain. What do they do if the party gets big? Drop the box. And a few people here said they'd do the same thing. So based on that, here is my question...

What is the real reason they don't allow boxing? Why do the people who legitimately have 2 or more players behind their router have to suffer?

GIS Result for Multiboxing

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth781 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here.

Damn bro. Some real life services take longer than this. There was a down time of ip exemptions in lieu of other things. They are being worked on.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.

System has worked and been massively approved of for going on 3 years. There was down time; that doesn't mean stop offering an optional service which helps people. It sounds to me like you are saying, if it's not working for me, it shouldn't work for anyone. Give us some credit.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.

Earlier today, I posted:

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IP exemptions are being completed. There are plans in the works to alleviate this issue for the future.

Amelinda currently does the exemptions. Long ago, I did them, and let me tell you... it is time-consuming. Rogean created an alternate in-game command which helps speed this along.

Anyways, IP exemptions do exist and I am in the process of decreasing the wait time.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should leave opinions out of any argument you intend to be taken seriously. Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion. Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion. However, that being said, you are still right. There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing.

In the end, the staff of any given server, be it Sony, Rogean, Cavedude etc, has the final say in what they want on their server and boxing is included in that. Since you shouldn't expect them to make a second server, one for boxing and one without it, just to satiate your needs (It'd be pointless anyway, most of the players would play the boxing enabled server just for convenience-sake whether they box themselves or not.) you're left to make the decision of what you want more. Classic EQ? Or the ability to box 2+ characters? People should thoroughly think that over before starting to play on P99, because the server's rules aren't going to change just for you.

I don't understand why you put in what I put in bold right there. This is a 2-boxing thread on a classic server. What I had said is clearly not an opinion it's a fact or people wouldn't 2-box here at all.

[casdegere]

2 boxing is not the answer.

People will be 4 boxing and have camps locked down single-handedly. Some people have no life and have many accounts waiting for boxing to be allowed. People will group with themselves and will not be grouping with you. Not allowing 2 boxing is genius. This slow down is due to several newer games being released and summer, nothing more. These new games will get boring and people will be back. The naysayers are people who do not like people who succeed like Rogean or people who banned their friends. These same people are obviously used to getting what they want and not getting it makes them cry so they darken the forums with their QQing angst that is getting really old and predictable.

It's the people that make the server not the pixels. These guys have systematically taken out the bad elements in favor of classic EQ. I come here for the classic experience. In 1999 ther was not alot of 2 boxing going on. Graphic intensive online gaming was fairly new, modems and bandwidth were not as they are today, either was paying a monthly fee. It was all ground-breaking for the most part. Most 2 boxing did not occur until people with high level characters began to move on and RMT for plat had been realized. I myself left and came back to live several times.

Get over yourselves and either choose to play the game or not.