RAID SUSPENSION RESOLUTIONS

[Ripqozko]

Let’s just give f/ag/riot couple months off then figure it out

[Fammaden]

Not my proposal but since we can't just go look at blue UN....

[Ripqozko]

How about no resolution and casuals farm free for several months with less toxicity.

[Praxcthius]

Let the casuals farm free. You mean the guilds who put in almost no effort into trying to upgrade their own toons or help their own guildmates get better slot items? HAHAHAHAHAHA. The only time casuals get any significant amount of loot from anything above epics that don't require planes mobs is when the guilds that go out each week and compete get banned for 1. being douchebags, 2. being douchebags 3. Getting butthurt cuz the new meta isn't what they are good at. and also being douchebags.

Then the casuals step in. "omgersh fred we're in tov and not in HOT!!!" wipe, wipe "omgersh what's wrong how come we're not getting the free pixels??" "oh lets team up with that other guild of casuals" "yay we won" "wait how come I didn't get an item??" oh right that's cuz you either have the worst dkp system in the world and/or loot council where the officers assign themselves or buddies with that once a year loot.

Now my proposal for the people who want to compete let's do this. 1. Don't cry everytime you lose fte for a mob. 2. Don't write 20 page petitions (This isn't the law offices of <insert any random tv lawyer ad here> 3. Announce when yer pulling one of the non rooted dragons completely in a spot that's not normal in this meta to kill it in. ie Jorlleag being pulled to trips and only having something said in say. ooc that shit thanks. 4. Since there is code for root/unroot on dragons how bout each quake there be a random generator for dragons in all tov (including doze/wtov) where you just don't know if you have to run up raid or can drag it to a more amenable kill spot.

5. rotate tunare random to see which guild starts rotation. (kill upon spawn within an 18 hour window). cuz the stupidity of "it's a camp we were here first" is just asinine in a plane. 6. vp goes back to no gm support chaos free for all. so pick your toons that are going to get stuck. 7. once a year respawn warders so we can have new rounds of "sorry you don't have warder loot" responses on the forums. that doesn't get old

8. go with number 6 but make it for all raid targets...... chaos reigns supreme.
9. have gms actually watch raids instead of taking the time to answer petitions about bobby and sally having an issue with x mob in no one cares zone and the guy who said they were afk but was at the camp. I don't think they'd have to watch every single engage but i'd suggest when it comes to the big clusters kt/dain/ct/innerring tov maybe a bit of gm invis and observation might go a long way for them to see who the actual troublemakers/crywolfers are.
10. erase all the rules of the server and see #8.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Praxcthius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let the casuals farm free. You mean the guilds who put in almost no effort into trying to upgrade their own toons or help their own guildmates get better slot items? HAHAHAHAHAHA. The only time casuals get any significant amount of loot from anything above epics that don't require planes mobs is when the guilds that go out each week and compete get banned for 1. being douchebags, 2. being douchebags 3. Getting butthurt cuz the new meta isn't what they are good at. and also being douchebags.

Then the casuals step in. "omgersh fred we're in tov and not in HOT!!!" wipe, wipe "omgersh what's wrong how come we're not getting the free pixels??" "oh lets team up with that other guild of casuals" "yay we won" "wait how come I didn't get an item??" oh right that's cuz you either have the worst dkp system in the world and/or loot council where the officers assign themselves or buddies with that once a year loot.

Now my proposal for the people who want to compete let's do this. 1. Don't cry everytime you lose fte for a mob. 2. Don't write 20 page petitions (This isn't the law offices of <insert any random tv lawyer ad here> 3. Announce when yer pulling one of the non rooted dragons completely in a spot that's not normal in this meta to kill it in. ie Jorlleag being pulled to trips and only having something said in say. ooc that shit thanks. 4. Since there is code for root/unroot on dragons how bout each quake there be a random generator for dragons in all tov (including doze/wtov) where you just don't know if you have to run up raid or can drag it to a more amenable kill spot.

5. rotate tunare random to see which guild starts rotation. (kill upon spawn within an 18 hour window). cuz the stupidity of "it's a camp we were here first" is just asinine in a plane. 6. vp goes back to no gm support chaos free for all. so pick your toons that are going to get stuck. 7. once a year respawn warders so we can have new rounds of "sorry you don't have warder loot" responses on the forums. that doesn't get old

8. go with number 6 but make it for all raid targets...... chaos reigns supreme.
9. have gms actually watch raids instead of taking the time to answer petitions about bobby and sally having an issue with x mob in no one cares zone and the guy who said they were afk but was at the camp. I don't think they'd have to watch every single engage but i'd suggest when it comes to the big clusters kt/dain/ct/innerring tov maybe a bit of gm invis and observation might go a long way for them to see who the actual troublemakers/crywolfers are.
10. erase all the rules of the server and see #8.

Toxic , that’s why ya banned

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Praxcthius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let the casuals farm free. You mean the guilds who put in almost no effort into trying to upgrade their own toons or help their own guildmates get better slot items? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

The classic "I deserve the pixels more because I have no social life, poor hygiene, and no job." argument, an oldy but a goody.

Also sorry you don't have warder loot.

[kanis999]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The classic "I deserve the pixels more because I have no social life, poor hygiene, and no job." argument, an oldy but a goody.

Also sorry you don't have warder loot.

Same reaction. That guy clearly enjoys shitting on 'casuals'. These 'casual' guilds are still playing the game a shitload of hours per week by the standards any non degenerate normal person with a job and family.

If you're going to propose solutions, you need to have solutions for 'casuals' too, because a lot of them are actually 'intermediates' living on a monopolized server wherein the only path to success is to become friends with virtual tyrants.

P.S. there is such thing of looking at gear as a means of making you more competitive against the NPCs rather than other players. I want good gear bc that means I can solo stuff better and help on raids more. Helping. Imagine if that word existed.

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by Praxcthius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let the casuals farm free. You mean the guilds who put in almost no effort into trying to upgrade their own toons or help their own guildmates get better slot items? HAHAHAHAHAHA. The only time casuals get any significant amount of loot from anything above epics that don't require planes mobs is when the guilds that go out each week and compete get banned for 1. being douchebags, 2. being douchebags 3. Getting butthurt cuz the new meta isn't what they are good at. and also being douchebags.

Then the casuals step in. "omgersh fred we're in tov and not in HOT!!!" wipe, wipe "omgersh what's wrong how come we're not getting the free pixels??" "oh lets team up with that other guild of casuals" "yay we won" "wait how come I didn't get an item??" oh right that's cuz you either have the worst dkp system in the world and/or loot council where the officers assign themselves or buddies with that once a year loot.

Now my proposal for the people who want to compete let's do this. 1. Don't cry everytime you lose fte for a mob. 2. Don't write 20 page petitions (This isn't the law offices of <insert any random tv lawyer ad here> 3. Announce when yer pulling one of the non rooted dragons completely in a spot that's not normal in this meta to kill it in. ie Jorlleag being pulled to trips and only having something said in say. ooc that shit thanks. 4. Since there is code for root/unroot on dragons how bout each quake there be a random generator for dragons in all tov (including doze/wtov) where you just don't know if you have to run up raid or can drag it to a more amenable kill spot.

5. rotate tunare random to see which guild starts rotation. (kill upon spawn within an 18 hour window). cuz the stupidity of "it's a camp we were here first" is just asinine in a plane. 6. vp goes back to no gm support chaos free for all. so pick your toons that are going to get stuck. 7. once a year respawn warders so we can have new rounds of "sorry you don't have warder loot" responses on the forums. that doesn't get old

8. go with number 6 but make it for all raid targets...... chaos reigns supreme.
9. have gms actually watch raids instead of taking the time to answer petitions about bobby and sally having an issue with x mob in no one cares zone and the guy who said they were afk but was at the camp. I don't think they'd have to watch every single engage but i'd suggest when it comes to the big clusters kt/dain/ct/innerring tov maybe a bit of gm invis and observation might go a long way for them to see who the actual troublemakers/crywolfers are.
10. erase all the rules of the server and see #8.

velious was cleared in kunark gear

next!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Praxcthius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no warder loot

But seriously, this is the whole point of my proposal. I get that rotations are boring. But surely there is a way to compete for NPCs that doesn't involve poopsocking, tracking, 3 AM batphones, and other neckbeardery?

The simple solution is to have a rotation where the guilds that clear fastest get more and better slots. Voila.

• No more brain rotting 'u aed my raid force' 'no ur puller eye trained us' because two guilds will not be in the same zone competing for the same NPC. The staff can finally do actual staff things like helping tools who turn in a 10th ring to Dain without ally faction (thanks Sirken)
• The rotation doesn't balloon to 500 guilds of 10 alts each because they won't clear the content quickly enough.
• Competence (at actual EQ type things, not mario kart or taking adderall to watch spawn points for 16 hours) actually matters. Casuals get some but not most pixels as guilds like BDA are mostly about drinking and talking to each other.

I really see no draw backs to this.

[gamarun]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[*]The rotation doesn't balloon to 500 guilds of 10 alts each because they won't clear the content quickly enough.
I really see no draw backs to this.

This feels like a situation that will turn into this...

Vulak spawns at 3 AM. Riot could kill it by 3:30. Other guilds say 10 AM. Therefore Riot can kill 14x faster than the other guilds and deserves more loot.

If that isnt the scenario then i fear it would be this:

the bigger your zerg the more merbs u get. Essentially throws out the window those that try to small man content with competency and preparedness... That seems like a cater to riot approach.