There are plans for the PVP Community

[SiP]

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[Smedy]

Snortles Chortles asks question about red99

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welp shit guys, that's that

[Luigi]

See you in OOT with my bard box

[Snortles Chortles]

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[Shac]

Why doesn't everyone just turn their books in on Green and boom thats your PvP server

[Nuggie]

Because PvP in EQ is garbage and P99's PvP community has been hyper-toxic to itself. Hence Red is dead and blue maintains a healthy competitive population.

[Oddbaal]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because PvP in EQ is garbage and P99's PvP community has been hyper-toxic to itself. Hence Red is dead and blue maintains a healthy competitive population.

Aye, but all those years not many knew about this project. Now a lot more people do. Can we all agree on that? Bends itself to logic that MORE people would play a new red.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because PvP in EQ is garbage and P99's PvP community has been hyper-toxic to itself. Hence Red is dead and blue maintains a healthy competitive population.

False.

P99 PvP died out because the ruleset appealed to no one.

They went FFA PvP with coin loot. A non-classic ruleset. What is the problem with this?

FFA PvP players want item loot. They're griefers to the max. With only coin loot they quickly get bored.

Coin loot PvP players were more "casual PvP" players who came from team servers. They want a sense of community and safety with some occasional PvP risk. With FFA PvP they quickly got bored.

They could have either done FFA item loot or teams coin loot but they went with some bastardized non-classic hybrid.

The best ruleset for P99 would be teams PvP with a non-classic mechanic to stop cross team cooperation. Teams live was the only PvP to get more than 1 server due to popularity and it only became unpopular because top raiding guilds cross teamed to gain an advantage defeating the purpose of the server and they wouldn't do anything to stop it. Cross team healers you couldn't attack, full classes, etc.

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coin loot PvP players were more "casual PvP" players who came from team servers. They want a sense of community and safety with some occasional PvP risk. With FFA PvP they quickly got bored.

They could have either done FFA item loot or teams coin loot but they went with some bastardized non-classic hybrid.

If any staff are following this, I'd like to point out a common misconception about the two classic rule servers. People from Sullon like to think they were hardcore because of the absence of a level cap for PvP, but the reality is that 60% of the server were evil team and they had the entire continent of Kunark to themselves. I played on Vallon Zek and Sullon Zek from launch and I can tell you that on Vallon Zek, PvP was raging from the moment you logged on until the moment you logged off. You could go through an entire 12 hour session on Sullon Zek and never see a member of another team.

I believe Azxten is correct that the devs went astray by having a non-classic ruleset for Red. I'm still hoping to test my proposed city-based ruleset on Red before the end of the year. I've spoken about it briefly with Galach. However, if we want to say classic rulesets are the only way to do EQ PvP right, I suggest the following compromise:

Make it Sullon Zek deity based teams, but don't have Kunark open at launch. Let it go through a complete classic progression just like Green. That way 60-70% of the server won't pick evil team so they can hide out in Kunark and never see a player from another team then log into the forums to tell us all what PvP badasses they are.