Expansions or Reboot?

[Ploppy]

Didn't they add a class balance patch before AA's came out. Here is how my fuzzy memory has it. For a very long time before SOE bought EQ they would always say they could not balance any classes because it was hard wired into the code. After Sony took over they rebalanced the classes from their original settings. This is when Rogues became more useful. I don't know which setting Project1999 runs though. Is it pre-patched classes before they fixed things like original out of the box EQ or is it post SOE? Paladins especially were shockingly weak. I remember those patches came in waves. Like they fixed rangers one time, then wizards the next and so on.

[ShivanAngel]

Personally for me, luclin was my favorite expansion hands down, with velios being my second favorite.

It gave you TONS of stuff to do, made travel a tad bit easier. Im sorry but i have gone 20-30 minutes looking for a port and not getting one before i said screw it and ran.

The bazaar i agree wasnt the best idea they had.

However the AA system, giving you something to do at max level, as well as the luclin raids were AMAZING. This might be my opinion because it was the pinnacle of my EQ raiding career. However the zones and raids were awesome!

[Acillatem]

I started to play on this server becuz for ME, the Classic experience was Classic/Kunark/Velious. So it sounded like a great idea.

HOWEVER - now that I have time invested in my character and I'm realizing how much BETTER this server is compared to Live, I'm starting to look at Velious as *shit....now what?*.

I like this community, I like the server, and I even like the Devs/GMs and how they handle things here.

Ya, it's 2 years from now, and who knows what will happen between now and then. But I think the issue is - some people grow attached to their toons and would like to know there are "options" out there OTHER than "start an alt, play another server".

I think the reason why so many people are attached to the whole Velious cut off is becuz most people agree that Luclin is where the game started to change for the worse, and PoP is what killed it.

If there was a way to implement Luclin/PoP with custom features that follow a more "classic" atmosphere - would those same people still be anti-Luclin/PoP?

THAT'S the question people should ask themselves:

If you had the opportunity to right the wrongs in Luclin/PoP - would you implement those expansions on this server?

People who say "No becuz it's not CLASSIC" are treating the discussion as if everyone else is a toddler and they are a parent ("becuz I said so!").

Many people consider Classic thru PoP to be "Classic".

The reason why PoP would be a good cutoff is because it is a HUGE timesink that would take a long time to break thru. Kunark/Velious content will easily be trivialized - just like it is now - and certain mobs/zones will be poopsocked - just like it is now.

[ShivanAngel]

I honestly dont think luclin trivialized travel that much, I still used druids and wizards all the time.

First if you werent lucky you had to wait a good 10-15 minutes to get ported up. Then you had to wait a good 10-15 minutes to get ported back down to wherever you wanted to go. Also the only places, iirc, that you could go with luclin ports were GFAY, NK, Nektulos and DL.

Bazaar really hurt the community aspect of the game, so if that isnt in there I wouldnt be that upset lol.

Also why a lot of people state they hate it is lore reasons... CATS ON THE MOON LOLOLOL sony you dumbass etc etc.... Personally I think luclin added some great zones, and imo the beastlord is a really fun class.

Also Luclin introduced the single greatest thing to ever grace the game..... KEI!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Engraverwilliam]

my two copper: Wipe = me gone :-)
why would anyone want a wipe?

[eqravenprince]

I don't want to say Luclin sucks, but it certainly doesn't hold a spot in my nostalgic heart. I left EQ around that time to go play DAoC, so I never was heavily vested in it. Secondly, when I came back to try out Luclin, I hated the Luclin character models.

While this is probably an unpopular opinion, I think the downfall of EQ started with Kunark, it provided super easy outdoor zones with tons of mobs to support many many groups to level from 1-50. I realize it's possible to level 1-50 in outdoor zones in classic EQ, but by the time you get into your mid 20's there isn't a lot to choose from for outdoor zones. But you have several dungeons to choose from.

Anyhow, that's my two copper.

[excalis]

I think they should make some other servers (if none already out there) to satisfy those that want Luclin and beyond. It is that simple, this server is for those who want to play up to Velious.

When I first started here and saw a mage pet with the Luclin model I disabled that ASAP, I did not want to see any hint of anything past Velious if it could be helped. I don't want AA, travel books, bazaar, or anything else that wreaks of something other than what this server was meant to offer.

No likey? Petition for another server to meet your needs, if people get bored, run out of things to do here, move on. If the server population dies or dwindles, leave it up for others who get curious and would like to give it a try.

Uber guild burned through all the content? Great, take a break and let smaller ones give it a try. Lets keep the idea behind the server alive and leave it be.

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to say Luclin sucks, but it certainly doesn't hold a spot in my nostalgic heart. I left EQ around that time to go play DAoC, so I never was heavily vested in it. Secondly, when I came back to try out Luclin, I hated the Luclin character models.

While this is probably an unpopular opinion, I think the downfall of EQ started with Kunark, it provided super easy outdoor zones with tons of mobs to support many many groups to level from 1-50. I realize it's possible to level 1-50 in outdoor zones in classic EQ, but by the time you get into your mid 20's there isn't a lot to choose from for outdoor zones. But you have several dungeons to choose from.

Anyhow, that's my two copper.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you there.

The Golden Age of EQ was probably Velious/Luclin/PoP.

Class balance was nearly perfect but each class had their respective strengths and weaknesses still. There was stuff to do once you hit max level outside of raids. Group dungeons were the best they've ever been.

Classic class balance is fooked. The standard on P1999 is to play a mage/necro/druid to easy-level to 50, farm, and gear out/PL your 'main' class. It's rare to see a group of 50's hanging out in Lguk.

WTF?

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you there.

The Golden Age of EQ was probably Velious/Luclin/PoP.

Class balance was nearly perfect but each class had their respective strengths and weaknesses still. There was stuff to do once you hit max level outside of raids. Group dungeons were the best they've ever been.

Classic class balance is fooked. The standard on P1999 is to play a mage/necro/druid to easy-level to 50, farm, and gear out/PL your 'main' class. It's rare to see a group of 50's hanging out in Lguk.

WTF?

It's cool, we can disagree. Personally I never hit max level when it was max level, and I certainly never came close to doing everything in game. I can't even imagine having the time to do all that. And yes I was in full groups of level 50's doing Lguk before Luclin was released. And as far as my casual opinion is concerned, nothing beats Crystal Caverns and Befallen for dungeon design. But that's me speaking through nostalgic colored glasses.

[Ploppy]

Velious and down is perfect! Don't change a thing.