"Need before greed"

[TripSin]

I'm surprised to see so much hate for NBG in this thread. I feel like NBG has always been the norm when I've played MMOs, even in PUGs... though I stopped playing MMOs for quite a while so maybe it's fallen out of style? When we've gotten items in the groups I've been in so far, people are usually cool with NBG it seems.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm surprised to see so much hate for NBG in this thread. I feel like NBG has always been the norm when I've played MMOs, even in PUGs... though I stopped playing MMOs for quite a while so maybe it's fallen out of style? When we've gotten items in the groups I've been in so far, people are usually cool with NBG it seems.

Its just a bad yet established trend

[vossiewulf]

"Cheating protection" is a ridiculous excuse for rolling everything, and you will find that most people who are very afraid of someone cheating them is due to the fact that they themselves regularly cheat other people.

It's the same thing as guys who go around yelling as loudly as possible that they are NOT gay are actually just advertising the fact that they're gayer than a 3 dollar bill. People who ALWAYS demand protection against someone cheating them are almost always cheats.

Shakespeare said "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." Not like this is an unknown mechanism.

Lastly if someone joins a group that I'm running and says they want to roll for everything to protect themselves against me and the other people in my group cheating them, it's target, /boot. Bye, was not nice to meet you and they go on the not friends list where they'll never group with me again. People who do manage to cheat in my group, same thing, except they go on the list of people where if I was the only person in the universe who could help them, I wouldn't move a muscle. And I have a long memory, so people only get one chance to cheat.

In the end I don't let it bother me, the primary thing I feel about someone cheating my group is embarrassment for them that they're perfectly happy cheating and having the world know it.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lastly if someone joins a group that I'm running and says they want to roll for everything to protect themselves against me and the other people in my group cheating them, it's target, /boot. Bye, was not nice to meet you and they go on the not friends list where they'll never group with me again. People who do manage to cheat in my group, same thing, except they go on the list of people where if I was the only person in the universe who could help them, I wouldn't move a muscle. And I have a long memory, so people only get one chance to cheat.

I'm sure your crushbone groups distribute belts with the utmost integrity and your ignore list is full of deserving people who have outleveled you long ago or quit the game. Grats in advance of memming SoW this April though.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Cheating protection" is a ridiculous excuse for rolling everything, and you will find that most people who are very afraid of someone cheating them is due to the fact that they themselves regularly cheat other people.

It's the same thing as guys who go around yelling as loudly as possible that they are NOT gay are actually just advertising the fact that they're gayer than a 3 dollar bill. People who ALWAYS demand protection against someone cheating them are almost always cheats.

Shakespeare said "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." Not like this is an unknown mechanism.

Lastly if someone joins a group that I'm running and says they want to roll for everything to protect themselves against me and the other people in my group cheating them, it's target, /boot. Bye, was not nice to meet you and they go on the not friends list where they'll never group with me again. People who do manage to cheat in my group, same thing, except they go on the list of people where if I was the only person in the universe who could help them, I wouldn't move a muscle. And I have a long memory, so people only get one chance to cheat.

In the end I don't let it bother me, the primary thing I feel about someone cheating my group is embarrassment for them that they're perfectly happy cheating and having the world know it.

Thats hypocritical and greedy because you're cheating people by preventing them from rolling on tradeable items that have the same value for them as it does for you.

Not sure why you're having a hard time understanding that fact.

So whats your character name on each server so we know not to group with you and put you on ignore.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure your crushbone groups distribute belts with the utmost integrity and your ignore list is full of deserving people who have outleveled you long ago or quit the game. Grats in advance of memming SoW this April though.

Leveling speed is not even in the top 5 considerations when playing a PVE RPG, and only will ever bubble to the top when I'm actually going backward.

Otherwise, if they quit, great, one less jerkass in this little world, and grats on winning the race you made up for yourself. What did you win?

[Fammaden]

I won many greed rolls to sell, thanks for asking was fun to loot.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure why you're having a hard time understanding that fact.

Already explained this to you, I understand your thinking process fully and your assumptions are flawed. Primarily that you treat anything that drops as a gray empty box with no association to anyone or anything. Were that true, your logic is flawless. However it is not true and because you don't account for this your logic fails.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I won many greed rolls to sell, thanks for asking was fun to loot.

Make sure you tell everyone that at the next party you attend. I mean, it's a great idea considering that explaining that you leveled your gnome wizard 10% faster than most people and then quit will result in everyone high-fiving you and thinking you're ten times as awesome. "I'm so impressed with you!" will undoubtedly be the catchphrase of the party.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never really understood the idea behind nbg. Whether someone can use it or they can sell it for something they need is the same thing. And I've seen enough people do something stupid like swap out a visible piece of gear when something drops just so they can roll need on it. If it's guildies or friends, sure. But a random pick up group?

I mean honestly for low value items, who cares. But no one's rolling need on a mega drop. Sorry. That's the exact same amount of platinum saved to anyone in the group.

But obviously this is easily solved by loot rules just being stated up front. If I join a group and the leader says it's need before greed, I think that's stupid as hell but that's what I will go by. Although conveniently people begin to support nbg a lot more of when it's a camp with something they can "use". And the number of times I have seen someone need and then I see them in East Commons auctioning it off later that evening is well into the dozens.

And if it is need before greed, at the very least, if the item you're replacing is worth something you should be having the group roll on it. Frankly I really don't care either way. I make most of my platinum solo to begin with. It's just that need before greed is nonsensical. It doesn't matter if someone's going to use it right that second or if they're going to go to the tunnel and get something they need with it. It's greedy either way. There's no such thing as need.

Make part payment in exchange for the item, tell them the rest of your plat is on another toon. Then switch to other toon and start spamming them with "FU ON UR 'need' ROLL BRO" and refuse to make the rest of payment.