List Integrity

[korzax]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never tried to push you out of your spot. I just don't want to earn it for you. I want you to earn it. I hope you get your MS. I just take issue of it being borne off other's sweat and not your own.

I think this showcases why some tweaks need to be made. Level 40 -44 to list here, or 35 if in a group.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, i'm a selfish ass, and i don't play well with others. That's you.

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never tried to push you out of your spot. I just don't want to earn it for you. I want you to earn it. I hope you get your MS. I just take issue of it being borne off other's sweat and not your own.

I think this showcases why some tweaks need to be made. Level 40 -44 to list here, or 35 if in a group.

I don't think anything needs to be changed. This situation is going to be rare, and when the average playerbase gets into the mid 30s range, probably never going to hear about it again. It's going to be funny soon when real competition starts showing up and you can't get a stone because the list is so long. Yet if you had just helped the guy, which is in the spirit of Everquest, hell you might both have a stone right now. Instead, you make this forum post, which has done nothing but get you blacklisted because you're being greedy and selfish.

Then you try to say shit like "I never tried to push him out of his spot." You were invited to the camp, and when you got there, you were #2. You saw an opportunity since #1 couldn't solo the camp, so you left the group and refused to participate in the camp. If you want him to earn it, well guess what - the dude was there all day. You came there and immediately expected to be #1, so who is it that should be EARNING their right to loot? Not only did #1 try to find people to come to the camp, but he had already been there all day. What exactly did YOU do to contribute to earn #1 on the list? No one is going to believe anything other than you saw a chance to get an easy #1 spot on the list, hoping #1 would fall asleep soon.

Again, I think nothing needs to be changed, if this situation happens, it simply happens. If the mob just sits there and doesn't get killed, that's just what happens. Not going to happen often or for long. If you care so much about this rare situation happening, then DO YOUR PART IN HELPING and the situation DOESN'T EXIST.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you try to say shit like "I never tried to push him out of his spot." You were invited to the camp, and when you got there, you were #2. You saw an opportunity since #1 couldn't solo the camp, so you left the group and refused to participate in the camp.

You have it wrong. I gated from doing Rubi to check on manastone camp, as I do imbetween everything I do. It was down to 1 person, so I listed. The group invite came later. Then he mentions the mob is yellow and thinks we need more people to do it. It rubbed me the wrong way.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

While you can currently hold a camp 'hostage' at #1 in a couple of ways, I still see the danger in adjustments that favor the opposing situation. A guild with sufficient online members could rotate people in-and-out and hold a camp permanently, if they have ways of booting people who they say "can't hold it alone" (read: aren't guild members / friends).

Currently, at least if you can solo the camp, you can hold a spot on the list (assuming no training / foul play).

At some level, my hope for the /list system was that it would force groups to form with pick-up members. e.g. that for these camps, at all times, all the people on the /list there are grouped, and helping each other, and as people get the item, they leave the group, so the next /list'ed can join.

Instead, like the typical min/max loot-fiend EQrs we are, we've found ways of exploiting the mechanics of the /list system, to either hold it hostage from a legitimate group that deserves to be there, or to force someone off the camp because your friends have greater numbers than theirs.

[Modwolf]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead, like the typical min/max loot-fiend EQrs we are, we've found ways of exploiting the mechanics of the /list system, to either hold it hostage from a legitimate group that deserves to be there, or to force someone off the camp because your friends have greater numbers than theirs.

You can't hold it hostage. You kill EE, stone drops. #1 loots it or not, he is still removed from the list. and can't force someone off. Your statement is false.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Modwolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't be held hostage and can't force someone off. Your statement is false.

Hostage: #1 necro/monk/sk fd in drelzna room answering afk checks, not participating in kills

Forcing off: #1 on list can't hold it alone, so #2/3 who are working together drop group with #1 and don't assist on next kill, go invis or similar, leave for a few minutes, do anything to let that person die, while the "grace period" allows them to stay on list. Stay invis/don't kill pops when person tries to CR, so they can't CR in time. #1 loses spot.

[Modwolf]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hostage: #1 necro/monk/sk fd in drelzna room answering afk checks, not participating in kills

Forcing off: #1 on list can't hold it alone, so #2/3 who are working together drop group with #1 and don't assist on next kill, go invis or similar, leave for a few minutes, do anything to let that person die, while the "grace period" allows them to stay on list.

Hostage: the items drops they get removed. False
Forcing: they don't engage and you turn into grakken. Or you try train and get banned for training. False

[Yoite]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At some level, my hope for the /list system was that it would force groups to form with pick-up members. e.g. that for these camps, at all times, all the people on the /list there are grouped, and helping each other, and as people get the item, they leave the group, so the next /list'ed can join.
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ya this is what i excepted too. i dont understand the want to be so competitive in this game. you are not even competing for anything really, you are just being rude and mean to each other. that type of behavior will not lead to a happy life, whether your get your mana stone crack rock or not.

[korzax]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can argue this either way. The person at #1 cant kill mob. So should they lose their spot? Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I would expect some tweaks are made to the /list functionality. The whole /list idea, is meant to not require staff to babysit these specific rare item spawns. And getting the rare item will still require putting in the time.

There is no /claim. Here is your new manastone. Grats me!

The intent is to make these camps manageable, and prevent from becoming non-stop shitshows.

I don't think you succeded in creating less drama.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can argue this either way. The person at #1 cant kill mob. So should they lose their spot? Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I would expect some tweaks are made to the /list functionality. The whole /list idea, is meant to not require staff to babysit these specific rare item spawns. And getting the rare item will still require putting in the time.

There is no /claim. Here is your new manastone. Grats me!

The intent is to make these camps manageable, and prevent from becoming non-stop shitshows.

Huh. Kind of funny how at least two of us brought this exact situation up to Rogean on the /list announcement page and he basically laughed at it saying its something that wouldn’t come up.

Whelp here we are friends