When I knew we were done

[smitho1984]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lords of P99

Who are the ^^^

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unrooting them is not classic. This is a classic EverQuest emulation server.

Wtf are you talking about? Dragons weren't rooted in ToV until Luclin?

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to think most people do agree as well. At least from what I've seen most people have welcomed the new change save a few even if it hasn't necessarily translated to more kills but it's been more fun trying especially for the small group of hardcore players that used to do all the socking and tracking for each spawn and usually get nothing for it except DKP they cant ever spend. At least now if people spend 3 hours clearing to Koi and not even getting it they had fun raiding together instead of the same small handful of people wasting their time every cycle.

It's a different case for most of the people I've seen posting from aftermath who have pretty much complained about the new rooted dragons since the change and the reason is because even though the new meta is more fun and challenging for more people involved, the old meta was working better for them and their preferred play style, which was loot conveyor and bragging rights (and denying pixels to other guilds).
The new meta also severely restricts ability to monopolize 90+% of the content. That just isn't working out for the warmbodies that joined AM to only log in and play 5 hours a week and still get pixels without having to do much actual work because they already had a dedicated core of hardcore sockers, FTE'ers and pullers. Basically its 10x more work for 1/2 as many pixels as they are used to getting.

This may sound like ragging on AM, which I do a lot, but in this case I can't even really fault them for it because it probably would happen to any guild in their position.

I hate that I can't have an opinion just because my guild is killing less dragons. It's not about the dragons. My RA% dove from 40% to 11% before we even started losing weeks.

The new meta does not restrict the ability to monopolize content. If our guild isn't competing with Riot... who exactly is? There was 0 competition for this weeks Vulak. And it still took hours upon hours. And who is killing all of VP every week? It's not us?

Also, all those players who did "all the tracking and never got anything for it"... Anyone who was a hard core raider is now in one of two guilds. You can't even sniff ToV unless you are in AM or Riot, or if you bring enough toons that riot or aftermath will let you raid with them. You shouldn't need 2 hours from 120 people to kill one mob in NToV, ESPECIALLY considering all the best in slot gear people are wearing.

Also, who's this mblake guy? Dudes unstable AF.


And you guys have been completely glossing over the fact that raiding in P99 Red is Completely impossible now.

[Hyjalx]

C) Make it so they can't leave north.

Been saying this for 2 years now, but larger numbers will still be required. 4-way and zone in should remain as safe as possible.


Temple of Veeshan was never meant to be a loot pinata. Many of us played during Velious on live (Club fu, Bristlebane), and cleared for our dragon loot. We still COTH'd into North for deeper targets. The only targets that were pulled to zone during that era were Ikatar and Eashan. Instant pulling all the best targets in the game to zone in for a 5 minute kill was not intended (PC's at the time couldn't even handle it) and is an obvious abuse of the game mechanic.

IMO, permitting the dragons to be pulled to the zone in to begin with created this sentiment...

The downfall is the timing. Entire guilds were designed for years around certain rules. Whether this affects the server population as a whole on blue (even slightly) will be based around that fact. Though, with Green and WoW Classic around the corner, it was happening regardless.


Changes needed to be tested. This was always intended to be a glorified beta. The raid scene has changed many,many times as the staff has worked to find ways to improve it. I applaud Rogean, Nilbog and the staff for continuing to attempt to work to make this server as classic as possible.

If I had a choice, I'd unroot the dragons, force guilds to fight them in the wing in which they spawn, and fix the Vulak mechanic (all dragons running to his aide). But just like every other rule-change this server has ever had, I'm sure It would fall apart and get abused just like everything else.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But just like every other rule-change this server has ever had, I'm sure It would fall apart and get abused just like everything else.

Then why are you evening bothering to type this. Bend over, squirt the anal ease and spread it.

[Kerfuffle42]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many of us played during Velious on live (Club fu, Bristlebane)

yes and yes

[Mblake81]

The fact these bitches are crying is a testament to good server leadership and something that works. It fucks us all and its left several of us with a smile on our face.

[Hyjalx]

Because personally, I agree changes had to be made Mblake. And also, the staff is always looking to improve things. They actually read these forums.

After reading your dribble, I am pretty confident they just scroll over anything you have to say.

[Twochain]

When was the last time there was a 0 competition Vulak???? ESPECIALLY with no guilds suspended?

[Hotel]

if you think the situation is better now - than it was with ag,core, and am w/ unrooted dragons, you're never going to see eye to eye with a certain % of the population

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those puller guys only think of the fun they had.

sorry you suck at the game bro

[dovi1212]

Here is why rooted dragons are bad. A crawl to a mob can take anywhere from 1 to 9 hours. Yes we have had a 9 hour crawl...
I want to play the game, I enjoy it, but between RL job and my need to sleep my ability and I bet countless others has fallen on pure RNG of spawn time.

Did I like pulling to entrance?
I thought it was cheesy but a mechanic I had to accept as a lesser evil as it let me actually do other things.
I enjoyed the first 2 weeks of rooted ToV, but now it has become a drag, despite what some might say it ia not difficult and the clear has been made easy by guild sizes.

The new meta is the big guild clears and the smaller numbers will try to leapfrog, its dumb it has become a waste of time and it's unsatisfying, if you say otherwise you're a liar.

If you like it because you're winning now, then admit to that truth.
Love you all. Enjoy the game. Hopefully a better solution is reached.