AskEQ! What item(s), gear, or weapon(s) do you feel are overpriced in today's market?

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's nothing wrong with gearing for a bit of dex for soloing with a tstaff, but wrist is not the slot to do it in.

there is literally nothing BiS about that wrist other than the fact that it's the highest DEX wrist item that monks can wear. why spend 28k when you can pick up a Sejah Ghulam Bracer (quested, free) and Hardened Clay Bracelet (800-1k)?

a hypothetical monk twink:
white wolf-hide girdle: +13
cloak of flames: +9
circlet of falinkan: +5
white lotus wrist wraps: +3 (+6) (assume no BoBs)
white lotus arm wraps: +7
twisted bone earring: +5
black pantherskin boots: +5
celestial fists: +10
white lotus pants: +4 (+5 if black pantherskin)
+6 neck: +6
black pantherskin shoulderpads: +4

+74 DEX without wasting 28k on a terrible, overpriced item

I agree that Wovin Vine Wristband is overpriced... The argument to make however is first and foremost most monks will reach max dex at later levels w/ buffs especially raiding monks regardless if you want to spend 30k on it or not, secondly that monks who's valued focus is to proc their weapon are a pain in the ass for the tank at all stages of the game, thirdly as you seem to have stated that an equally high dexterity can be achieved with much less plat, and fourthly to say something like its worth 30k because its a BiS wrist slot for monks who want enough dex to proc is making the argument that the wristband is worth what its worth because it meets a set of specific conditions, and applies to a very limited percentage of players in the game. You simply cannot give that much value to something for those reasons, period...

[radbeard]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe woodsman's staff is extremely overpriced for what it does. While it's pretty okay at level 30, it scales very poorly past level 40. Jade mace + lammy is less than 2k and should equal or out-dps a woodsman's staff by around level 35-40.

I've seen several threads recently of people praising it, but when you actually parse the weapon it's not 4k good.

I made a spreadsheet to compare things like this. Dual jade-maces are basically equal at lvl 49 to a woodsmans. I have some trouble comparing 2handers to 1handers only because this: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html is the table i've used for 2hander bonus damage. If thats accurate then so is what I just said.

However if you have a frostbringer + jade mace they achieve parity at lvl 40. Woodsman is basically BiS from lvls 30-40 without spending insanes amount of money, but is not economical after that. So I agree, 4k for 10 levels seems a bit too steep. A more reasonable value would probably be like 3k. There is certainly some value in being best in slot for ten levels.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made a spreadsheet to compare things like this. Dual jade-maces are basically equal at lvl 49 to a woodsmans. I have some trouble comparing 2handers to 1handers only because this: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html is the table i've used for 2hander bonus damage. If thats accurate then so is what I just said.

However if you have a frostbringer + jade mace they achieve parity at lvl 40. Woodsman is basically BiS from lvls 30-40 without spending insanes amount of money, but is not economical after that. So I agree, 4k for 10 levels seems a bit too steep. A more reasonable value would probably be like 3k. There is certainly some value in being best in slot for ten levels.

Interesting...

Could you maybe compare woodsman at 30-40 to duel wield twink weapons? maybe 12/20 hammer and 13/23 winter's fury? or 10/18 and 12/21 velium weapons? or even SoZ 11/18 and Edge of Nightwalker 14/25 ?

[radbeard]

Originally Posted by Iksar_with_a_plan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting...

Could you maybe compare woodsman at 30-40 to duel wield twink weapons? maybe 12/20 hammer and 13/23 winter's fury? or 10/18 and 12/21 velium weapons? or even SoZ 11/18 and Edge of Nightwalker 14/25 ?

That is a little bit of a pain to do because thats a lot of permutations, but i'll compare as though you were dual wielding a 12/20+14/25 at 31 and 40

Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 31: Woodsmans is ~2% better
Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 40: Woodsmans is ~6% worse
Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 49: Woodsmans is ~9% worse (this is assuming 200 weaponskill & dual wield skill)

Above level 50 the website I use assumes some pretty enormous bonus damage applied to 2handers and I suspect that isn't implemented on p99. My guess is that its basically accurate 1-50 and not accurate 51-60 (where for example it suggests the bonus damage on woodsman grows from 11 to 31). So thats the caveat. If anybody knows for sure wha the 2hander bonus damage table is like on P99 i'd love to see it.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a little bit of a pain to do because thats a lot of permutations, but i'll compare as though you were dual wielding a 12/20+14/25 at 31 and 40

Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 31: Woodsmans is ~2% better
Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 40: Woodsmans is ~6% worse
Woodsmans vs 12/20 + 14/25 at 49: Woodsmans is ~9% worse (this is assuming 200 weaponskill & dual wield skill)

Above level 50 the website I use assumes some pretty enormous bonus damage applied to 2handers and I suspect that isn't implemented on p99. My guess is that its basically accurate 1-50 and not accurate 51-60 (where for example it suggests the bonus damage on woodsman grows from 11 to 31). So thats the caveat. If anybody knows for sure wha the 2hander bonus damage table is like on P99 i'd love to see it.

This is interesting man... thanks...

It's pretty much common knowledge to anyone who's researched the "what weapons should my ranger" use question that woodsman's staff is a must have at some point during leveling for its superior damage compared to DWing due to limited dmg bonus and duel wield skill caps. but its nice to have the comparisons (if they are in fact atleast close to being right) to show if I might still be reaching even with top notch 1 handers at those levels.

So... I understand its value as a weapon in those specific circumstances. But as it rises in price and gets closer to the average value of say an exquisite velium (insert 2 handed weapon here), i think it begins to reach what i'd consider being overpriced. If I could buy an exquisite velium claidhmore for 5k, or a woodsmans staff for 4k, i'd personally go with the velium weapon for its very slightly better ratio, its graphic and the fact that I would rather train in slashing than blunt. I wonder how a 32/36 compares to a 31/35, im sure the difference is negligible, but as I said i'd prefer an exquisite velium backscratcher to the staff.

[deezy]

I made parses from several years ago of a woodsman's staff vs a lammy + some forgettable offhand. The parse showed virtually no difference in dps at level 40.

Fortunately, a friend of mine is leveling a ranger. I'm going to buy them a woodsman's staff and collect parses from them to get some comparisons.

[deezy]

Originally Posted by radbeard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anybody knows for sure wha the 2hander bonus damage table is like on P99 i'd love to see it.

Currently bonus damage on a 2-hander is exactly the same as a 1-hander in the primary hand. However, in a future patch (same patch as monk triple attack, etc.), 2-hander bonus damage will scale with delay. There are a few sweet spots on the table that get bonus damage spikes. But for the most part it scales relatively evenly.

[radbeard]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Currently bonus damage on a 2-hander is exactly the same as a 1-hander in the primary hand. However, in a future patch (same patch as monk triple attack, etc.), 2-hander bonus damage will scale with delay. There are a few sweet spots on the table that get bonus damage spikes. But for the most part it scales relatively evenly.

so its just 1 damage per 3 levels from 28 on? there is no bonus at all for 2handers onp99 currently?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Iksar_with_a_plan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that Wovin Vine Wristband is overpriced... The argument to make however is first and foremost most monks will reach max dex at later levels w/ buffs especially raiding monks regardless if you want to spend 30k on it or not, secondly that monks who's valued focus is to proc their weapon are a pain in the ass for the tank at all stages of the game, thirdly as you seem to have stated that an equally high dexterity can be achieved with much less plat, and fourthly to say something like its worth 30k because its a BiS wrist slot for monks who want enough dex to proc is making the argument that the wristband is worth what its worth because it meets a set of specific conditions, and applies to a very limited percentage of players in the game. You simply cannot give that much value to something for those reasons, period...

I use it on my shammy too when I want to score proc during solo situations. It's a great item for scoring procs.

There's quite a few situations where you might want a monk to proc. I duo with a monk at a camp where there is a lot of resists on slows. When the monk procs his weap, he generates good aggro which allows me to spam my slows and not have to wait.

There's definitely lots of situations where that extra dex will come in handy.

[Achromatic]

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