Why is Red Dead?

[heartbrand]

His facts are completely wrong. The only thing I’ll bother responding to is empire being more “neckbeardy” than nihilium. We spent more hours per week raiding in empire because there is significantly more content in Velious than Kunark. Nonetheless we still only raided three to four times a week and left tons of targets up. Had Nihilum been around they’d be raiding Velketor religiously, and have a 7 day raid schedule.

Raiding sucks in general, it was just more bearable in Kunark because you could clear all the raid targets in the game in less than 6-7 hours.

[Tassador]

I wonder what happens on blue that keeps people playing velious year 5. I got bored in live after year 2 and basically played little to no eq until red99.

Eq folk for the most part want to hold on to every little thing. Online hoarders. How about instead of wipe just ban all chars and lock kunark and velious content for 2 months lol.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by White_knight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That 30v30 in CS happened after a raid when Friends was going for the CS dragon and they just miss timed their raid as Empire tumbled out of PoM via click out. At the time I dont think they realized that was a possibility as they had not made it to PoM yet.

Friends never really went head on as a guild either just picked people off and pvped on the sidelines. Also it wasnt friends who went to Kael it was TMO.

This is all semantics, what point are you even trying to make? It's still exactly as I said -- whichever other guilds it was, it doesn't matter, the fact is that nobody could contest Empire whatsoever, because of how Empire was already overgeared and held a ridiculously oppressive numbers advantage. Yeah, of course <Friends> never actively went after Empire full force, because there was never anything in it for them. That's just suicide, which the dumbos in Empire would then proceed to mock on forums/ooc as "winning". Empire griefed all of the relevant gameplay off the server by never trying to actively PvP or play fair, just doing PvE-zerg.

And as for the population numbers, I again don't care about the semantics, the point is I definitely remember Red server being much healthier and eventually hitting 25% of Blue's population after the server changes were introduced, when previously the server population was always 5-10% of Blue. There was real growth on the server and opportunity for it to become much better, and the key players in the community destroyed it with their toxic behavior.

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing I’ll bother responding to is empire being more “neckbeardy” than nihilium. We spent more hours per week raiding in empire because there is significantly more content in Velious than Kunark. Nonetheless we still only raided three to four times a week and left tons of targets up. Had Nihilum been around they’d be raiding Velketor religiously, and have a 7 day raid schedule.

Who cares if a guild has a 7 day raid schedule, when they are able to do it with less people, in less time, and don't demand everyone to constantly be at every raid if they ever want a chance at loot. That's what the entire point of a large guild should be - your expansive membership means you have enough people on every day to viably contest PvP or form groups. It's a much better way of doing things, as it means everyone in the guild can log on when they want to and know there will be adventure waiting for them.

Empire instead couldn't ever budge from doing their one lame strategy. They had to have off days, because their raids were so damn sloppy and tedious that even the leaders didn't want to be there for it. They just wanted to collect their pixels, not actually play Everquest. Nihilum would have chewed through the content way faster, while actually allowing for PvP to happen and doing other things outside of those specific raids. I'm not saying that guild was especially healthy either, but at least Nizzar could get shit done in a timely fashion and had a backbone when it came to PvP.

I remember in Nihilum that we sometimes did split raid forces when a ton of people were on, doing Plane of Sky and Trakanon at the same time for example. One day <Azrael> came through and destroyed the raid force doing Trakanon (not when the Nihilum group had engaged Trak either); the Nihi group wasn't well organized and had too many weak players on it, so they lost. That's how it's supposed to work. Real PvP, with the better team winning. The point of the server.

Empire's behavior forced the entire server into a monotonous PvE trashbin, where not only PvP wasn't allowed to really happen, but people weren't even allowed to play PvE when they wanted to and as they wanted to. All players not in Empire had to creep around and just do PvE in the zones they were "allowed" to, and people in Empire were made to feel like it was a slave job rather than a game. Since everyone in the guild was forced into hours of mind-numbingly boring and repetitive PvE, they would just log off after raids and generally never try to do anything else as a real guild outside of it. When it was only 9 fucking <Friends> people sitting in Plane of Mischief after Empire's raid time ended, I couldn't even get the guild to come contest that tiny level of competition. Empire was forced out of their own fucking zone they were guild bound in, whenever the entire guild wasn't logged on. So you see, the people in Empire who actually wanted to play Everquest couldn't do that either, since the game was turned into something else altogether.

This is all a great example of why rampant capitalism and right-wing mentalities tend to turn everything to shit, BTW. Though I doubt many people here care about that or even comprehend the problem, despite being given years of proof of exactly how toxic and corrosive it is. Just keep repeating the same mistakes to grave while the world suffers, hurray!

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right before velious launch and through early velious, server population was at an all-time high; around 200+.

I went to Red as a pretty big skeptic and had some of the most fun I've had on Everquest.

What happened? What caused the server to fizzle out?

GMs?
YTs?
The Leaderboard?
<Empire> leaving?
Serverwide Chat?

Discuss.

200+ population is not even high

there is no one reason red is dead, people just eventually bored of logging into that (always fighting the same people, mobs) and u eventually get a lot less new people to replace the old.

blue has a strong casual population, because most people like pve more, and that is the "life blood" of that server. Always new people coming in, and it takes them longer to reach endgame.

you guys shouldn't be complaining tho, play another game, do some RL. this box might pick up, but if it doesn't, u should appreciate the good times you had on the box. I have been here from the beginning and I have met so many cool people, some i liked, some not so much. The rivalries and battles were great on here, hit and miss yes, but when they lined up I had a lot of fun.

Take this with you to other games.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

200+ population is not even high

there is no one reason red is dead, people just eventually bored of logging into that (always fighting the same people, mobs) and u eventually get a lot less new people to replace the old.

blue has a strong casual population, because most people like pve more, and that is the "life blood" of that server. Always new people coming in, and it takes them longer to reach endgame.

you guys shouldn't be complaining tho, play another game, do some RL. this box might pick up, but if it doesn't, u should appreciate the good times you had on the box. I have been here from the beginning and I have met so many cool people, some i liked, some not so much. The rivalries and battles were great on here, hit and miss yes, but when they lined up I had a lot of fun.

Take this with you to other games.

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[Tune]

Originally Posted by Kohedron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe because it's a 20 year old game not even built for PvP in the slightest

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Originally Posted by Jazzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real interested to hear the reason, seeing as there was probably 50-100 players who refused / werent able to join empire

kinda inflated numbers buddy

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

I unfortunately probably have top 25 /played on this server, although no longer sure with Velious sickness in year 3. I have killed every mob in the game, including the four warders and AoW. I have two SoD's. Your comment makes no sense. The real weirdos are the ones still playing.

[White_knight]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real weirdos are the ones still playing.

This is a gem of truth.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

People ask for a wipe because they think the current server is boring. How would a server wipe change the fact that these individuals you speak were outcasted. Why wouldn't that continue into the next server?

[White_knight]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes



kinda inflated numbers buddy



this guy just kinda just proves my last point. R99 attracts a lot of weirdos who get out casted and quit soon after. Being low pop already this doesn't help much. These mad people are forced to do nothing but post here and never play the game, and they are discouraging for new players to join.

they also spout wipe the server to troll the people playing that they are mad at.

that is the biggest hit on the population if u ask me.

You're one of the biggest weirdos on the server though; but you dont see it that way. No one really likes you but people who want to join the gravy train. Half your own guild thinks you're a bitch even after you dedicated your life to running a guild for them... you've created some sort of bubble where in your mind you're the greatest.

In my entire time on the 99 project I never saw so many people talk shit on their own guild leader than yourself. But that's because of your personality and poor people skill and generally odd behaviour and the queers you call close eq friends.

This you already know though.

Re: the wipe point

People asking for a wipe isnt because they are mad at other players it's because they want to play red99 just not in its current state. This is why RoZ has 180-200 pop and red99 40 even though red99 has far superior coding that people are willing to over look the bugs for now to enjoy a fresh start on RoZ.

If red99 wiped, and removed LNS due to the quality of the coding on red99 everyone would rush back.

Then again this is just another concoction in your brain as how everyone is mad at you for "winning???" the server and wants to wipe it to undermine you or some crazy shit.