Awakened 30 day

[Foxplay]

Well p99 is so min/max that guilds would rather have complicated rules and restrictions to how they can engage raid targets so they can pull them in ways never done on classic servers (least not on any I remember) so they can have dragons dead in a few minutes rather than a few hours, which is understandable but it definitely causes situations like this and many others as people have said mistakes happen ppl screw up. This isn't to say they are not responsible... Intended or unintentionally training is training you don't get out of a car wreck just because you didn't mean to plow into a Honda Civic with your Ford F150

Personally I'd rather spawn variance taken out (it's not classic goes against the intent of the server) Then make zone disruption rules for ToV stating no merbs can be pulled outside the wing they originated from (zone in and 4way can't be trained) or impose the non classic era root the dragons patch

[Supreme]

since we are beyond whats classic...lets just go to instancing.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since we are beyond whats classic...lets just go to instancing.

Woulda gone to Agnarr if wanted that rubbish. This is still the best classic EQ server out there. No CSR would be better at this rate. Grind it out over 1 mob for 10 hours rather than get a 40 day ban for nothing.

Important question as this wasnt posted anywhere about the raid ban increases :
Is there a cap to this? Or can we get to 100 day ban eventually ?

[Culkasi]

What about a guild leaves the zone when they break the rules? That seems much better than conceding a mob, and then still shitting up the zone for the other guilds. Actually, that seems like a very sane way to deal with it. So when AA conceded Eashen, go kill some of the other mobs, and make sure you don't break the rules in ToV next time you want to kill something there.

Result. Everyone follows the rules, and noone has to deal with shittery whilst killing mobs.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about a guild leaves the zone when they break the rules? That seems much better than conceding a mob, and then still shitting up the zone for the other guilds. Actually, that seems like a very sane way to deal with it. So when AA conceded Eashen, go kill some of the other mobs, and make sure you don't break the rules in ToV next time you want to kill something there.

Result. Everyone follows the rules, and noone has to deal with shittery whilst killing mobs.

Enjoy scoring a petitionquest win, I appreciate your guilds not informing us that you felt conceding the mobs were not enough and wanted more justice. You have my skype, next time let us know that you are going to do that and we will return the favor.

At this point though, I dont know if we can even consider talking to you guys about anything with this kind of thing thrown at us.

Good job, makes all the /tells I was getting about a CSG/AW PoG event to better relations a big joke.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy scoring a petitionquest win, I appreciate your guilds not informing us that you felt conceding the mobs were not enough and wanted more justice. You have my skype, next time let us know that you are going to do that and we will return the favor.

At this point though, I dont know if we can even consider talking to you guys about anything with this kind of thing thrown at us.

Good job, makes all the /tells I was getting about a CSG/AW PoG event to better relations a big joke.

Honestly, I couldn't give a rats arse about the 30 day ban or the petitionquest. I think you will find most in CSG thinks that. But apparently its the only language you guys are willing to listen to. For years I have tried to talk to A/A leadership about allowing more space for casual guilds on P99, and everytime I have been told "Nope". And everytime we ask you guys to place nice when we are in the zone, you have told us "learn to petition". Now we have petitiond, and its also a problem? I honestly don't really know what you want anymore, apart from being able to rotate all the contat with Aftermath without casual scum ruining the parada (shame that narrowly got voted down yeah?).

All we ask for is to be able to kill a cpl of mobs per week without having to deal with trains and other shithattery - the only way we seem to be able to get that, is via petitionquest. That is your choice, not ours.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I couldn't give a rats arse about the 30 day ban or the petitionquest. I think you will find most in CSG thinks that. But apparently its the only language you guys are willing to listen to. For years I have tried to talk to A/A leadership about allowing more space for casual guilds on P99, and everytime I have been told "Nope". And everytime we ask you guys to place nice when we are in the zone, you have told us "learn to petition". Now we have petitiond, and its also a problem? I honestly don't really know what you want anymore, apart from being able to rotate all the contat with Aftermath without casual scum ruining the parada (shame that narrowly got voted down yeah?).

All we ask for is to be able to kill a cpl of mobs per week without having to deal with trains and other shithattery - the only way we seem to be able to get that, is via petitionquest. That is your choice, not ours.

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

I told you - when you fuck up, leave the zone. Go raid somewhere else. You have also in the past (You being A/A) tried with "we concede Trakanon for 30 minutes" and such bullshit. Basically, if you screw other peopel over and waste their time, leave the zone until the raid mobs are down.

I am not asking for the world, I am just asking you to concede that P99 should have room for people that don't enjoy playing the fast shoot fast trigger game you do - instead of forcing us to go down this route (and you have, if not personally, I can't even begin to count all the times A/A officers have told me "if its a problem, file a petition", and now that we are doing that, its ALSO a problem) - what are we supposed to do?

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

Just to play devil's advocate here, just because awakened conceded fesh Doesn't mean csg isn't screwed over. Even if awakened conceded csg could lose both the mob they were engaged with and the mob that was conceded, so the guild that loses the most is the one who did nothing wrong.

3 guilds at entrance is bad.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wants free mobs. A/A tells them No.
Petitions already free mob for more mobs.

Sounds about right.

I don't think CSG (now being Europa and Omni) will get much out of this 30 day ban, and I am okay with that - I also think 30 day is a bit harsh really. But I have learned long ago that dialogue with A/A leadership leads to nothing, so if they can't even leave us alone to kill a mob they have already conceded because of breaking the rules, then yeah, ban is in order. The reason for 30 days? I imagnie uncountable number of bans in the past cpl of years, things add up - stop getting in situations where bans are possible?

We never ask for any guild to be banned, we always ask to be left alone when we once in a while target a mob. This was one of those times, and this time we got rolled over by a guild who doesn't care, because they had to kill a mob they also don't really care for after having killed hundreds of times, because of some desire to "win" over another guild who has also killed it hundreds of times.....that was a 90 minute waste of 50-60 peoples time - the number of man hours there is staggering.

Call them wellfare pixels, call it an investment, call it whatever you want - let the casaul guilds on P99 see some content without having to play like you do, and I am sure you will only get each other banned going forward.