Sky - Overseer of Air

[sancta2]

Originally Posted by Andos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh so if they just go stand on spawn points to get FTE instead of racing they're not gonna get in trouble? Suuuuuurrrrreeeee.....

He's talking about player-made agreements, what you're talking about are server rules.

[myguydie]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myguydie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Casual guilds don't give a shit about nobles. They're not going to poopsock, and they're not going to click on empty air for the chance of an FTE. It's just not going to happen.

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

[Khaall Drogo]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

Yes as a guild we would like to go up to sky for a few weeks in a row and be able to progress farther up islands, instead of being continuously held up by shenanigans on our night. Do we care at all about killing noble? No not at all cause even though we have the forces there at the time when he pope every single week and are fully prepared to kill him. Its just a waste of time for us to race people camped out on spawn spots, and that have taken steps week after week to make it expensive and time consuming. So if i had to choose between having 0% chance at killing the noble but having a smooth Sky raid, or having a .01% chance at killing Noble and deal with the absolute ridiculous shit that we do... Well after 12 weeks I think I am leaning towards the first option.

Don't get me wrong I understand how it would not be helping others out. Which is the exact reason that even though this has being going on for 3 months WE HAVENT KILLED A SINGLE ONE YET. Mostly have just paid out of pocket, and wasted many hours, while trying to explain to Guild members that "There is nothing that can be done about it, its just the way it is."

Again this is all just sharing of information in a forum for discussion and does not represent any intentions of <The Second Sons> to start killing OOA..... This week.

[Ravager]

Killing OOAs sounds good to me. It's win/win. Casuals win because they can have their sky raids back, neckbeards win because they get more time to poopsock Velious harder.

[MilanderTruewield]

Jesus, this thread.

All I can say is that any time that I have been there for the noble kill, a) No other guild is on 1.5 waiting for the spawn, and b) we didn't kill any of isle 1 to get to 1.5. I can't attest to the times I haven't been there for the kill, however I'm reasonably sure that it's gone the same way.

[P99Druid]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Casual guilds don't give a shit about nobles. They're not going to poopsock, and they're not going to click on empty air for the chance of an FTE. It's just not going to happen.

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

You kill a mob to take away our pixels, that gives us a reason to kill mobs on island 1 and deny you yours.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by P99Druid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You kill a mob to take away our pixels, that gives us a reason to kill mobs on island 1 and deny you yours.

So in your greed for nobles, you're going to end the sky rotation all together? Classy move.

[myguydie]

I see your point. Guilds should be paying for keys or keying themselves. If they want a chance at Noble, pay the 500pp for the key if you don't corpse your keys weekly(Sky dwellers should all be doing this).

Any guild in rotation killing weekly, must be overflowing with the loot from island one. Really they are just saving you the 5 minutes it takes to clear the entire island as long as they pay for your/their keys.

Killing OOA's is still the worse of the two. If there isn't anyone interested in having a noble loot, ever, in a guild, I'm sure that there are people in the other casual guilds who are interested. A guild killing OOA's would be preventing other guilds, including casuals, from getting any chance at them. That's where the greed begins to grow. Say you are killing a OOA once a week. Then every guild wants in on that. OOAs will all be gone in one week.

If you leave them up, there are up to 4 spawning every 3 days, plus a 1 week spawn. If all of these are up, you are bound to get a pop once in a while in your spawn window. When raiding with casual guilds, I have seen uncontested nobles. If your guild can't put the effort into tracking, get the ones you can and don't take others chances away.

I think that as long as noble is FTE, it's reasonable to ask for an agreement from all guilds to buy their own keys if moving to 1.5 for a noble that is not on their night.

[Laemeth]

It would be enough to withdraw the FTE of the noble.
If it is up during your evening of raid, do it, otherwise return the following week!
Problem solved, everyone is happy.

My 2 copper.