Innoruuk shouts, I SPAWN 5 MINUTES AFTER IB LOGS IN.

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you didnt answer my question. im talking about advantages going to IB because it has a developer as the guildleader. the advantage being that he knows the intricate details of all changes made patch to patch. some things which may not even be announced to the public. for example, the tentacle tormentor in Perma that mysteriously became a roamer (which it never was on live) when IB lost vox to DA (DA preps in that very room where the change was made). it has since been changed again to be non-roaming.

other instances that im unaware of have surely happened. remember when DA (i think?) was getting mob spawns due to a GM telling them the timers or having knowledge of the database? that is corruption.

these are two instances in which a group of players benefited from inside knowledge that was not available to the rest of the player population. that is corruption.

with that said i think project1999 is a great server and i think that the developers (mostly) and GMs have the best intentions. but no one is perfect all of the time.

I dont think Xzerion's integrity can really be called into question. The entire time i was there, I have never witnessed him abusing his position as a dev. In fact, it only causes him grief. He misses raid time because hes busy working on kunark for the rest of us.
I'm also going to defend DA here. I think, but am not 100% sure on, them getting spawn times had more to do with outside software then getting info from a dev/GM.

[Erasong]

And from what i understand they have since removed said players.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Erasong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think Xzerion's integrity can really be called into question. The entire time i was there, I have never witnessed him abusing his position as a dev. In fact, it only causes him grief. He misses raid time because hes busy working on kunark for the rest of us.
I'm also going to defend DA here. I think, but am not 100% sure on, them getting spawn times had more to do with outside software then getting info from a dev/GM.

i have no personal bias toward ib or da. i think both are good guilds with (mostly) good people who like a video game more than they should.

i cited two actual events that happened that prove corruption has happened. im sure xzerion is a really cool guy (obviously, if hes willing to work on this wonderful server for free) but there are advantages to be had, however small they may be.

my point is that no emulation server will ever be 100% free of this. i think project 1999 is probably the best in this area, but there are still events that happen (or have happened) that are less than honest.

[Razdeline]

Unless anyone can prove that there is any sort of developer corruption, saying anything without some sort of credible resource is irrelevant.

But, I think as on live, there are as many people on here that love the drama within the game moreso than the game itself.

And think of it this way (and try to not let your emotions dignify your response) --

Do you really think developers would emulate a classic experience just to botch it for a few select players?

This would really make no sense to me; If I beleived in corruption the only logical thing instead of constant complaining, would be to not play anymore.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really think developers would emulate a classic experience just to botch it for a few select players?

of course not and that isn't what i said. would someone in a position to get an advantage, no matter how small, over a rival guild for a highly-sought after target take it if they knew no one would have any idea otherwise?

the answer of course is yes

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try to not let your emotions dignify your response

Yeah guys, be more objunctive.

[aerokella]

cant we all be friends

[Hobby]

I do not think it was just DA, but rather Wi, Trans, and DA. I could be wrong as it has been awhile, but I am fairly certain it was 3 guilds all-in-all.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Hobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it was just DA, but rather Wi, Trans, and DA. I could be wrong as it has been awhile, but I am fairly certain it was 3 guilds all-in-all.

yeah, that might be right. i can't remember. either way it did happen though.

[Cyrano]

You cite one example of our guild, but the only people screaming about that were DA just like Nizzar is the only one suggesting we now have access to Rogean or Nilbog's accounts.

Things get changed on this server, just like on live, all the time and they are discovered through mob interaction. Part of being a competitive guild is learning how to use those various changes to your advantage. When they changed the pathing in PoF to dissuade poopsocking I didn't hear people screaming "That's unfair! It only helps IB!" Please explain to me how a pathing icy terror ,that IB must deal with on Vox as well, gives us any advantage over every other guild? "Oh, well you guys knew about!" So did everyone else.

I've seen people banned for using MQ and Show EQ, that's definitely not allowing corruption. Duping has been brought to a virtual halt compared to how it was earlier on the server. Again, this is fighting against corruption.

I'm not going to say anything about DA knowing the specific spawn times about mobs because honestly I think it, again, is just people looking at circumstances and assuming the worst. It's like the guy who thinks we literally all have multiple 50's camped at every target which is ludicrous.

The way I see it you WANT there to be corruption so you twist any scenario into an illustration of it. Back in 1999 servers had sever specific GMs. Do you know why this ended? Because GMs were joining guilds on their server. It's known that Nilbog, Rogean, and Uthgaard don't play in raiding guilds and also that they don't get paid to work on this project. It is in their interest to combat potential corruption because it makes their project more successful. Have you read the articles about P99? Seen the videos on youtube? People in the industry are watching this community because, much like the original Everquest, it's changing the way online gaming is approached. We are the counter culture to the trends you see in WoW and other major titles, thus people like Rogean and Nilbog have the potential to parlay this experience into an actual profession down the road. If they are busted breaking the integrity of what classic Everquest stood for to the raiding culture (competition, no freebies, harsh penalties for failure along with a finite amount of endgame loot compared to instanced games) then their work would carry an asterisk forever.

So please, spare me the "GMs did this for you and let DA do that!" cause it's all bullshit. They have continually hammered cheaters, exploiters, and griefers and all in all I would say this server carries more balance and integrity than any live EQ server did back in 1999 or the early 2000's.

The best part is, people on the forums throwing tantrums and always looking for excuses as to why they lost a spawn are the most accurate anachronism we find on p99. You guys complete the "immersion".