Raid Suspending best idea GM's had in a long time

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're EVERYWHERE, oh my god

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Breaken, Detoxx & Nemce are all just socket puppets of Chest that he uses to contually rub salt in every casual's lingering wounds from the destruction of the rotation.

[botrainer]

BONUS: a rotation (no matter how shitty it was, this was due to the sudden happening case that both guilds got hit at the time, something only seen once every 4 years) can be set up and with more talks an even better rotation could have been adjusted in a fair matter.

Sadly if it's not A / A brain trust, it can not happen. I've notice how most or all new raid rules is because Awakened or Aftermath thought of it, and created the rules (so it best benefits them when passed). It should be a joint task, and voted on not just something one guild says "sign on or fuck you" rules proposals. Each raiding group (CSA FAV, A , A, Kiitens who Divinity) should be allowed to propose new rules, change old ones, and have a vote take place. When/if more groups are in favor of proposals, it passes, and becomes law(unlike now when Awakened doesn't get their way, they throw a fit and force a change anyways). It can take time (like a 2 week discussion before a votes happen) but each raiding guild who can show the ability to raid certain targets / zones effectively should have the same amount of say about rule changes that directly affect them. I also believe guilds should work together to weed out people sticking their alts in to multiple guilds and compare certain aspects to ensure 1 player, 1 guild.

The days of 1 guild making rules to better suit their cause should be over (should have ended with TMO) and every guild who is able and willing to kill the targets in question should have say on tracking rules, FTE rules, and allowed tactics, etc for a healthy server going forward.

Such as if a guild is able to kill Kunark open zone dragons but not kill in VP, their vote wouldn't count towards changes in VP, only Kunark open zone dragons. Same goes for ToV Dragons, if a guild is able to kill every dragon besides a few key dragons, they should be allowed to vote for changes for all dragons besides key dragons. Each guild can openly post, and always discuss changes, and punishments for guilds unable, unwilling, or incapable of killing dragons. Doing this is the only way we as a community on this server can actually improve the server as whole.

[Phantasm]

Ikon, let it go dude. THey aren't enforcing a rotation here. THey do actively answer queries and petitions from the players and police the PnP as best they can.

Besides, your links only make it seem like people *wanted* a GM enforced rotation (like you want now). Crazy how history repeats itself, I wonder if somebody is going to be quoting you 15 years from now like "See *THEY* had GM enforced rotations too*

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ikon, let it go dude. THey aren't enforcing a rotation here. THey do actively answer queries and petitions from the players and police the PnP as best they can.

Besides, your links only make it seem like people *wanted* a GM enforced rotation (like you want now). Crazy how history repeats itself, I wonder if somebody is going to be quoting you 15 years from now like "See *THEY* had GM enforced rotations too*

Who said I want a GM enforced rotation, I don't really care at all one way or the other, on a new server yeah it would be nice to actually have classic rules to go with classic gameplay - this server is unfortunately way past saving imo.

The statement from Sirken was - "The PnP was not enforced on all servers". My reply was to provide evidence that it actually was, evidence from Gordon Wrinn along with his Produce Letter stating it was, another statement from Gordon Wrinn dated a year later showing it was being enforced, a statement from a verified guide stating they enforced it, and threads from players of the period stating it was being enforce, and complaining that it was being enforced.

Then we had some pixel nerds come on and try to refute the evidence that I provided by pretending the word Spawn meant it didn't apply to dragons and raids - which I successfully was able to show to be incorrect - linking a post from a player who referred to it being enforced for plains and dragon runs.

Then because they were unable to 'win' that argument they shitted the goal posts over to something else, rotations, to which I provided evidence which refuted what they were trying unsuccessfully to show.

So at the end of this lovely exercise we have:

A number of posts from Gordon Wrinn, an associate producer of Everquest
A post from a guide
A post from 60+ everquest players.
And more

Vs

Someone that claims to have been a guide 17 years ago and knew the status of every petition on at least 4 or more servers from 2000 onwards.

And

A couple of pixel nerds opinions and memories from 17 years ago.

Wheres your money going?

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The statement from Sirken was - "The PnP was not enforced on all servers". My reply was to provide evidence that it actually was, evidence from Gordon Wrinn along with his Produce Letter stating it was, another statement from Gordon Wrinn dated a year later showing it was being enforced, a statement from a verified guide stating they enforced it, and threads from players of the period stating it was being enforce, and complaining that it was being enforced.

This proves you have a reading comprehension problem. Sirken never said this. Also, the links you provided we not regarding PNP but a single raid event where two guilds have a history of griefing. Only later to find out that a representative from SOE said they don't like or rarely interject in the manner the GM did. You must be reading what you expect to read not what people are actually writing to you. There is no point to argue with this individual if he isn't comprehending what we are all writing.

[Phantasm]

Welcome Ikon, new guide. Hes in charge of herding all the cats!

Either way, its a free server, dude. Chill out and have fun
Honestly have had like 5 issues in the 7 years Ive been on P99 and just about damn near all of them were addressed or resolved.

I think most important to note: Even if you do convince them GMs enforced the pnp, how you going to make them do that here? What are you trying to change? The free game we play has unpaid staff servicing it, gonna make a stink to them?

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Welcome Ikon, new guide. Hes in charge of herding all the cats!

Either way, its a free server, dude. Chill out and have fun
Honestly have had like 5 issues in the 7 years Ive been on P99 and just about damn near all of them were addressed or resolved.

I think most important to note: Even if you do convince them GMs enforced the pnp, how you going to make them do that here? What are you trying to change? The free game we play has unpaid staff servicing it, gonna make a stink to them?

More like herding monkeys to be honest. Look at the post above yours. I never linked anything to do with the PnP only 1 link regarding 1 raid....

I am having fun. This is called Rants and Flames for a reason, if they can't handle ranting and flaming they shouldn't be here.

[Phantasm]

Lots of research for someone having fun xD

Trying to convince people to play nice and getting backlash ~.~

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The statement from Sirken was - "The PnP was not enforced on all servers".

wrong - you said rotations were enforced on every server, sirken said it wasn't true

Sirken's incorrect. There were rotations and they were enforced on live, no guild could repeatedly kill a mob(s) while denying it to others, especially trivial mobs, the only time a guild could have exclusive access to and farm a mob was when it was the only guild capable of killing that mob.

- Ikon, angry casual

maybe on your server, but that's hardly a universal truth among all servers

- Sirken

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds
some pixel nerds

please link me some more posts which disprove your terrible, pointless argument

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who said I want a GM enforced rotation, I don't really care at all one way or the other, on a new server yeah it would be nice to actually have classic rules to go with classic gameplay - this server is unfortunately way past saving imo.

The statement from Sirken was - "The PnP was not enforced on all servers". My reply was to provide evidence that it actually was, evidence from Gordon Wrinn along with his Produce Letter stating it was, another statement from Gordon Wrinn dated a year later showing it was being enforced, a statement from a verified guide stating they enforced it, and threads from players of the period stating it was being enforce, and complaining that it was being enforced.

Then we had some pixel nerds come on and try to refute the evidence that I provided by pretending the word Spawn meant it didn't apply to dragons and raids - which I successfully was able to show to be incorrect - linking a post from a player who referred to it being enforced for plains and dragon runs.

Then because they were unable to 'win' that argument they shitted the goal posts over to something else, rotations, to which I provided evidence which refuted what they were trying unsuccessfully to show.

So at the end of this lovely exercise we have:

A number of posts from Gordon Wrinn, an associate producer of Everquest
A post from a guide
A post from 60+ everquest players.
And more

Vs

Someone that claims to have been a guide 17 years ago and knew the status of every petition on at least 4 or more servers from 2000 onwards.

And

A couple of pixel nerds opinions and memories from 17 years ago.

Wheres your money going?

Your a fucking idiot dude. You obviously know shit of Everquest and you're just looking up old posts from people complaining and trying to recreate your nostalgia through their gaming experience even though you never experienced it yourself.

If you think PnP was in place you need to look up what type of shit Afterlife, Triton, FoH and other guilds were doing at the times. They were actively cockblocking each other not online on their server but cross server as well.