i dont always start threads, but when i do

[Taboo]

I'm in Holocaust and I can tell you from my stint in Red Dawn, Gods work, and the two hours I think in Azrael the problem here is pretty clear.

-If you join the current other guilds you cannot progress your character to where pvp is more an even playing field.

-If your in Holo, well not many options to show pvp skill unless you ride out solo. But you get gear! What is strange however is that people with BIS gear stay even tho they rarely ever get something for an alt. What does that say ?

Holo is not what most of us pictured as a fun option on a pvp server. Guildies say this all the time. But what sucks even worse is the other options.

Colgate for being so young carries himself with a lot of maturity. I have heard other guild leaders TS's almost twice his age talk and you would think they were Colgate's actual age.

For me there is no better option than to group with people I can tolerate and ignore the zerg side for a bit. ALOT feel this way. Oh yea the only two things I have gotten here is a trak tooth to finish my key and a vp weapon I rarely use since I was epic'd before joining.

If other guild leaders carried themselves better they would surely have people flocking to join their ranks.

But take a moment and look at who runs the other guilds, their histories. The server being so small has a hard time forgetting who those guys really are. No matter what toon you roll to hide it.

[Steel Warrior]

The simple truth is that Azrael will not be a competitive guild unless the rules are changed to favor them. If variance were implemented, they would continue to lose, and then they would begin their next propaganda campaign, probably to limit maximum guild size.

I have high raid attendance with Holocaust. We raid with somewhere between 40 and 60, usually right in the middle of that. However, they are not at all the same people from day to day or week to week. We were talking about turnover tonight and I went through the list of names. We had 52 players, including some brand new recruits who needed Sebilis keys in order to raid Trakanon. I joined the guild in October. There were 17 members at the raid who were in the guild when I joined. Seventeen.

This is not an aberration. This is part of the guild mission as I understand it. On many occasions, Gongshow, our guildleader, has clearly stated that he doesn't mind if people join the guild for a little while, join some experience groups, level up, get a little gear and their epics, and then move on. We help people get their epics every day, and many, maybe most, of them disappear. This includes people like Ragnaros and Kecleon who now talk shit about Holocaust--I personally helped Kecleon with his epic mobs.

The best hope the server currently has for healthy competition is Fresh. They are following a similar mission to Holocaust: recruiting new players, helping them gear and level. When Fresh hits a critical mass of level 60s, somewhere around 100 so they can field a raid of 50, I full expect to see them actively compete with us.

I look forward to it.

On the other hand, what I expect from Suave is for the unsuspecting new players in their guild to help gear up the alts of Exed, Akinn, and Gaffin. I expect those players to then return to Azrael and for Suave to fold, just as happens with every guild associated with Azrael.

There is certainly room for a third guild like Holocaust and Fresh who welcome and nurture new players. It's hard to get started on red. Most players will need a little help to learn the ropes. What is currently missing for that to happen is a third set of leaders who will treat their members with dignity and respect.

I would like to offer my personal thanks to Gongshow, Colgate, Waspnado, Terp, Weta and the other leaders of Holocaust for giving me a great home, to Karsten and Bigtuna for creating another guild that doesn't suck, and to Sirken, Aussie, Eunomia, and the other GMs and guides who have been trying to make this a better place to play. I think this server is great and I think the people who badmouth it suck.

[Akalakamelee]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

[bouncerr 2.0]

Originally Posted by Akalakamelee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

agree to disagree, even tho holo has gone full out zerg now the server pop is thriving which helps the economy and gives us some targets to kill

just wish azrael would recruit a little more and really give them a good run

suave is up and coming, more guilds the better

[Steel Warrior]

Originally Posted by Akalakamelee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

There are currently two large guilds, Holocaust and Fresh. When Fresh is ready, probably very soon, I have every expectation that they will begin to challenge Holocaust for raid mobs. I also expect the competition to be heated but much more friendly than anything Azrael has ever been involved in.

Population is not precluding a third large guild, only lack of leadership. All of this crying and whining about one guild is pathetic and disingenuous. You know the timers. Recruit and contest.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Kuberk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, no shit sherlock. That's exactly how you stay in power on this server without variance, you recruit EVERY warmbody available. You have extreme power in numbers when the spawn timer doesn't move week to week. If he didn't have those warm bodies that jump ship after they get geared, the guild would cease to exist at least to the point where it was getting ANY gear - because another zerg would usurp it.

Grow a brian, moran

Are you Lite's new bursar? Is he giving you DKP for your level of vocality towards pushing his agenda?

Do share, and include your character names so I can hunt you down if I see you in game.

[Sear]

also that box was thug life and this one is more plug life

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Sear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also that box was thug life and this one is more plug life

u tell it bb

[Melveny]

I miss vztz.

[Not_Kazowi]

Originally Posted by Melveny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I miss vztz.

hey old pal, i miss vztz too