Class R

[Man0warr]

If Trakanon is FFA during a Sim repop, I guarantee a guild of 15-20 isn't going to beat a guild like Taken or BDA to engage - unless a more juicy target like VS or CT is also FFA.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Trakanon is FFA during a Sim repop, I guarantee a guild of 15-20 isn't going to beat a guild like Taken or BDA to engage - unless a more juicy target like VS or CT is also FFA.

Uhm... I said you only needed 15-20 to kill him. Which is true. I've never seen BDA or Taken try an engage with 15 to 20 so I doubt your claims on pulling it off until you do.

[Man0warr]

Also, no Class R guild aspires to be Class C or they already would be. They LIKE the rotation and how it works (for the most part).

I did hardcore, cutthroat raiding for a long long time. Most want nothing more than what we do now - a couple planar clears a week at predictable times, and 1 to 3 big targets a week that we can plan around.

If people in the guild want more, then they end up RMTing their Trak keys and go spend a couple months in TMO/IB until the next ban wave.

But BDA at least is pretty upfront to applicants on what to expect with our raiding.

Totally different mindset/play style. If GMs do as some suggested in that stream last night and force Class R guilds to Class C, you will literally kill guilds and hurt the server population.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, no Class R guild aspires to be Class C or they already would be. They LIKE the rotation and how it works (for the most part).

I did hardcore, cutthroat raiding for a long long time. Most want nothing more than what we do now - a couple planar clears a week at predictable times, and 1 to 3 big targets a week that we can plan around.

If people in the guild want more, then they end up RMTing their Trak keys and go spend a couple months in TMO/IB until the next ban wave.

But BDA at least is pretty upfront to applicants on what to expect with our raiding.

Totally different mindset/play style. If GMs do as some suggested in that stream last night and force Class R guilds to Class C, you will literally kill guilds and hurt the server population.

Yeah. I was just addressing what Derubel said. Guilds aspiring to compete in VP and Class C new to the server etc. It isn't as hard as he made it sound if they really are aspiring to play that hard.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. I was just addressing what Derubel said. Guilds aspiring to compete in VP and Class C new to the server etc. It isn't as hard as he made it sound if they really are aspiring to play that hard.

The VP specific part makes sense, but the claim was that even outside VP guilds could move to class C for other targets. Obviously a guild ready to compete in VP would be able to do as you say with trak.

[Man0warr]

Even with Juggs up we'd be fine - as long as you are all 60 and hug the wall with Lev you can bypass them all except maybe 1, then you just have an enchanter Dictate.

We weren't talking about competing with TMO/IB in this scenario though, as we were discussing FFA Trak during a Sim repop when you guys would be in VP.

If it wasn't a sim repop, and it was just a plain old FFA Trak, TMO/IB would win 95% of the time just from your multitude of mages.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even with Juggs up we'd be fine - as long as you are all 60 and hug the wall with Lev you can bypass them all except maybe 1, then you just have an enchanter Dictate.

We weren't talking about competing with TMO/IB in this scenario though, as we were discussing FFA Trak during a Sim repop when you guys would be in VP.

If it wasn't a sim repop, and it was just a plain old FFA Trak, TMO/IB would win 95% of the time just from your multitude of mages.

False. You would have Protector and 2 juggs with that method.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even with Juggs up we'd be fine - as long as you are all 60 and hug the wall with Lev you can bypass them all except maybe 1, then you just have an enchanter Dictate.

We weren't talking about competing with TMO/IB in this scenario though, as we were discussing FFA Trak during a Sim repop when you guys would be in VP.

If it wasn't a sim repop, and it was just a plain old FFA Trak, TMO/IB would win 95% of the time just from your multitude of mages.

Hate to break it to you, but there is no way any class R guild would be able to beat TMO/IB on a competitive trak engage. At least for a while. Weve engaged and killed trak with 9 people while cothing down the rest and training away the juggs.

This is much different that calmly pulling out your juggs one at a time, no pressure, no risk. Just take your time and kill the 2 juggs and protector. This isnt meant to be a slight or knock, its just reality.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to break it to you, but there is no way any class R guild would be able to beat TMO/IB on a competitive trak engage. At least for a while. Weve engaged and killed trak with 9 people while cothing down the rest and training away the juggs.

This is much different that calmly pulling out your juggs one at a time, no pressure, no risk. Just take your time and kill the 2 juggs and protector. This isnt meant to be a slight or knock, its just reality.

you say that like you think it requires some kind of skill or that its hard to do.

the reality is that your 'skill' is in your ability to recruit people so you have an available force "immediately" on pop or whatever and that majority of your guild is well geared through the benefit of you guys having a nice lead so doing stuff like this is trivial.

dont delude yourself into thinking youre executing some kind of crazy unheard of strats that no one else is doing.


im not ragging on what ya do though dude, you guys see success and thats all the matters.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you say that like you think it requires some kind of skill or that its hard to do.

the reality is that your 'skill' is in your ability to recruit people so you have an available force "immediately" on pop or whatever and that majority of your guild is well geared through the benefit of you guys having a nice lead so doing stuff like this is trivial.

dont delude yourself into thinking youre executing some kind of crazy unheard of strats that no one else is doing.


im not ragging on what ya do though dude, you guys see success and thats all the matters.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Yeah try it with just green people you recruit to bolster numbers. See how that works.