Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[Dominick]

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[Messianic]

To recap:

Rogues KSing by stealing money/gems from engaged mobs is ok because they're roleplaying.

Some rogues complain about having to group for plat (except PP) in a largely group-dependent game just because some classes do not happen to be group dependent. They knew when they created a rogue they are group dependent, but still reserve the right to QQ. Therefore, stealing from engaged mobs (relatively risk-less) is okay, even though you're being a parasite. Remember, the rogue is just roleplaying. However, it wouldn't be roleplaying if the rogue was camping a mob and someone KSed them for it. That would clearly be wrong, not roleplaying.

Nearly all the rogues in this thread failed to see the distinction between PPing mobs and PPing engaged mobs. Fail.

Dyno seems to be a tool who is pretty bad at trolling and dumb enough to tell everyone the KS-PPing he's doing.

[ryuut1]

im a tool, but im rich bitch! *honk honk*

also, i see how you guys could be all mad. i just dont care. it's not an exploit, and it's classic. it's not in the PnP. so it's legit shit.

youre all just the man keeping me down!

[Musetii]

Activate PvP, and fight off rogues. Until then, stop QQing.




Thread is now closed.

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To recap:
Nearly all the rogues in this thread failed to see the distinction between PPing mobs and PPing engaged mobs. Fail.

There is no distinction, thats the point. Eventually someone is going to engage that mob and find it empty.

If a guy is engaging a mob, and can kill the mob, its a dick move. Even at that, what does he get? He gets 5pp and maybe a gem once in a great while.

The big QQ is that this is in server chat.

And to give this thread a reason for being:
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[azeth]

Originally Posted by Dominick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guy is engaging a mob, and can kill the mob, its a dick move. Even at that, what does he get? He gets 5pp and maybe a gem once in a great while.

I don't think you are really grasping the situation. Allize *only drops gems for loot, sometimes no loot whatsoever. 1 single pickpocketed Blue Diamond (1.5k market) or Black Sapphire (4k market) is worth 1-3 hours time, to justify stealing this from a player who has claimed the camp is.. well unjustifiable.

Also, "once in a great while" in the Allize situation, again, means "every single time Allize spawns with loot" it gets stolen if Allize is being pickpocketed. I really ought to just back out of this thread though, I'm having as hard of a time seeing any perspective other than my own, as I'm sure the rest of you are who are disagreeing with me.

I actually think this boils down to a "carebear" dispute unfortunately. To be honest, I am a carebear in this situation solely because I personally cannot justifiably pickpocket loot from another person's claim. However, I would never /petition or R&F about it happening to me, it's just a courtesy..

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you are really grasping the situation. Allize *only drops gems for loot, sometimes no loot whatsoever. 1 single pickpocketed Blue Diamond or Black Sapphire is worth 1-3 hours time, to justify stealing this from a player who has claimed the camp is.. well unjustifiable.

Is there a guy on the camp waiting for you to engage if he is and you engage anyway then you are being stupid.

The easy solution is to root bomb and watch the rogue die.

e: If you are not camping him and he steals the loot then he is taking the chance. If he gets spotted, he is going to be hosed.

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[Autotune]

I find it funny that people bitch about a rogue stealing their gems and then tells them to roll a Mage/necro/solo class.

Why don't you roll a Rogue and level it up to pickpocket?

You're using your skills to farm, the rogue is using his.

It is not an exploit

It is classic

Stop bitching

Learn to play smarter, or roll a necro.

[purist]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ryuut, originally I was responding only from having played a rogue main on live (without any sort of alt farm toon) - so really I am well aware of how little $ you make as a rogue. However, I never once jacked $$ or gems from my groups or raids, or people farming high value $$ targets.

Of course you never once jacked gems from your group or raids. Why would you when you already farmed 50k+ to twink your Rogue alt, and on top of that you have access to the farming resource like a Mage-Enchanter duo who probably have 80k+ more in the bank? Stop pretending like you're some kind of righteous man. You're enough of a douche to cry about a gem for 12 pages in a thread after admitting to twinking your Rogue in over 50k+ in farmed items off your Mage/Enchanter, petty and greedy much?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Dominick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no distinction, thats the point. Eventually someone is going to engage that mob and find it empty.

If nothing else, the distinction is who got to to the mob first - the rogue or the other player. You may argue that is a meaningless distinction - but someone blowing your mob up at 51% life and taking the loot just because they could and hey, "that's classic," would likewise be considered stealing.

If you're robbing HG's blind before people get to them, it's not much different than someone else killing those HG's before you got to them. If you're robbing them blind while they're killing the HG, it's worse than KSing because you don't even need to use your own resources like a KSer would.

Getting to the mob first is the distinction. Your logic is that it doesn't matter when the rogue pickpockets it - analogy - you're arguing that it doesn't matter who engages mobs first. Just because you engage it doesn't mean you have a right to kill it. Someone can do more damage than you, take the loot, and has committed no error against general server rules against KSing.


If engaging a mob doesn't mean you have the right to that mob (and the loot it carries) unless you zone/die/FD, then KSing is entirely legitimate.

I can therefore follow you around, killing any named mobs you engage because it doesn't matter that you got to the mob first, after all...