DA KSes offically now?

[Virtuosos]

the simple fact that neither guild was in hate for more than a few hours (trans actively clearing mobs and DA zoning in and waiting 30minutes) kinda cancels out the whole "poopsock" thing....maybe DA had intention on doing it, i dont know... but trans doesnt really stick around for hours hoping for a raid boss.


but keep it up, eventually i think everyone is going to totally agree

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the simple fact that neither guild was in hate for more than a few hours (trans actively clearing mobs and DA zoning in and waiting 30minutes) kinda cancels out the whole "poopsock" thing....maybe DA had intention on doing it, i dont know... but trans doesnt really stick around for hours hoping for a raid boss.


but keep it up, eventually i think everyone is going to totally agree

According to Supreme..

He was due and there was nothing better to do than wait. If he would have spawned 5 hours later i promise we would have not been there (least i would not have been there).

Not sure if 5 hours is considered poopsocking but he appears to be saying Trans was planning to sit around for a good while. The early spawn was just dumb luck. Is it a distinction with out a difference?

If the door has now been reopened to camping outside aggro range, then yes, poopsocking now appears to be part of the picture again. Rogean denounced DA for leapfrogging but did not berate Trans for camping outside aggro which seems to go counter to the FTE we thought they were trying to promote with the new rules change. Utlimately Rogean did go to the logs for aggro chain which was probably the best way to deal with it.

I think it's safe to say camping the spawn without a zerg force is suicide and any guild forced to do it by a competing raid will end up loosing as they wipe. Trans did the only thing they could to have a serious chance at the kill. Problem is the rules dictating being at the spawn in aggro range favor numbers. Possibly an unexpected consequence of the rules revision.

[Virtuosos]

he said if he would of spawned 5 hours later we would have NOT been there, maybe one or two members would just to get a timer on him but that would be about it....the most that i have ever waited for a pop on a raid with trans over the past 6 months ive been with em has been about two hours....we dont recruit people who are willing to sit for 72 hours straight waiting for a pop, we detest it. the only time you will see us wait for a pop is for when sky/fear/hate was cleared 7hours earlier and we want to be the first ones there to start clearing again.

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

[girth]

Originally Posted by ShnarfShnarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i swear DA would be #1 instead of #8 if they werent around

ROFL I like this guy

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he said if he would of spawned 5 hours later we would have NOT been there, maybe one or two members would just to get a timer on him but that would be about it....the most that i have ever waited for a pop on a raid with trans over the past 6 months ive been with em has been about two hours....we dont recruit people who are willing to sit for 72 hours straight waiting for a pop, we detest it. the only time you will see us wait for a pop is for when sky/fear/hate was cleared 7hours earlier and we want to be the first ones there to start clearing again.

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

per Rogean..

The fact is Transcendence was also there much longer actually waiting for the spawn around the corner.

Generally "around the corner" is out of LOS and out off aggro range which is the real point. Unless Rogean was mistaken. The range is not relevant at that point.

Don't get me wrong, it was probably the best choice for your raid force as an Inny spawn on top of you would have been a wipe. I would guess only DA had the numbers to actually sit on the spawn point in the immediate aggro range that features so prominently in the raid rules.

The question is, do the raid rules now effectively dictate a zerg force has priority over a smaller force who cant afford an uncontrolled aggro event because of camp spawn requirements?

[Virtuosos]

well im not really talking about where we were sitting at when i mentioned distance, that was just an overall question for the future...



just another question to bring up at the next PTA

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by sidgb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

per Rogean..



The question is, do the raid rules now effectively dictate a zerg force has priority over a smaller force who cant afford an uncontrolled aggro event because of camp spawn requirements?

The answer is that people want to constantly nickel and dime the raid rules all and up down these message boards to try and validate the fact that they are being immoral.

If you're gonna be badboys about competing for mobs then be fucking badboys, don't sit here trying to convince people the rules were on your side.

[Bashee_Feind]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and aggro range is pretty wide with raid bosses, does it boil down to who was closest to the actual spawn point or who was in aggro range first..you can either sit directly on spawn or 100 feet away and inny would aggro ya, does the person that moves in second, 50 feet closer, get first right even if you were there first?

You were sitting at the top of the ramp, around the corner and through a doorway of Inny. In no way, shape, or form were you in aggro range. You were at the top of the ramp and out of aggro range (as said by Supreme himself) and DA came up the ramp and ran into Inny's spawn point.

Also I'd like to point out the statement made a few post prior. Neither guild had any clear evidence on who was at the spawn point first. And you notice that WAS in fact left out of the screenshot. Neither Trans or DA had any proper proof, so Rogean switched to FTE rules. Otherwise, he wouldn't have bothered going through those logs, he would have just awarded to the first with 15 on the spawn point (as that's where you're supposed to be to claim a mob). Supreme, let's see your fraps you're claiming.

Shaere. Yes, things were kept quiet in public chat, and that's respectful. However, for your guild members to be going after DA on this post, even some stretching of the truth in situations, is not very respectful. DA has left this post alone, why can't you guys? Just drop it and move along.
I also think you have a better attitude than supreme. He acts like a child at times. kudos for representing in a better manner.

This whole incident was just silly. Rogean made the call or who got what and he took care of it from there. DA wasn't whining, but Supreme seems to be, even though it was ruled in his favor. Just let it go. You got the loot, Congratulations. Take it and walk away. What's the sense in fighting?

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer is that people want to constantly nickel and dime the raid rules all and up down these message boards to try and validate the fact that they are being immoral.

If you're gonna be badboys about competing for mobs then be fucking badboys, don't sit here trying to convince people the rules were on your side.

Sadly, the raid rules lend themselves to this "nickel and dime" stuff because of their specificity on certain aspect of staking a claim.

Arguably, in an FTE focused environment DA's leapfrog actions could actually be considered playing nice. Heck, in PvP killing the other raid force for the spawn is also "playing nice".

For the most part, when people get beat they consider the other guy as not "playing nice". We have people on the server that think a handful of guilds dominating all the raid bosses is not "playing nice". "Playing nice" can be very subjective based on your perspective.

[Virtuosos]

im thinking this whole spawn varience is bunch of bullshit anyways, make it 100% random and not in some 3 day time frame and it eliminates any sort of camping and whatnot


but thats a whole new topic that has been beaten to death 20 times over =/