Coth Ducking

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Servellious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is it that hard for guild leaders to speak with each other and come to an agreement to stop coth ducking and for guilds to punish members doing so? Isnt that was the staff wanted us to do to begin with?

Coth ducking is stupid. No one is disputing that, but it happens to be the most easily policed method of making sure no one is cheating. Everyone has two trackers (they're usually mages) and everyone can see those two trackers, you can see in the logs when someone has been cothed in to get FTE. The proposal via Unbrella was we could eliminate coth ducking and replace it with a straight footrace. Which means you'd need constant fraps to ensure that whoever got FTE was at the zoneline initially which is just as ludicrous as coth ducking.

So in the mean time coth ducking will stay until something else is figured out.

[arsenalpow]

The absolute best way to solve this issue is to remove the instances where class C and class R are forced to interact with each other. Either remove the FFA cycle entirely (and allow for FFA during repops) or make it so that all FFA cycle mobs spawn simultaneously. This would require guilds to prioritize their encounters instead of having 5+ guilds waiting together in zone which creates these clusterfucks that no one wants to be a part of.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The proposal via Unbrella was we could eliminate coth ducking and replace it with a straight footrace.

The footrace has worked fine for the two class-c guilds that go to every little extreme to get the slightest edge against each other for several months now. We figured that if we could play nicely and police this measure between ourselves, it would be able to be carried over to FFA mobs as well. It's much easier to slip something past when there is only one other guild watching you -- when you have 6 guilds each watching the other, it becomes exponentially more difficult to get away with abuses. At that point, if you actually get away with it - then shit, you earned it, Bond.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The footrace has worked fine for the two class-c guilds that go to every little extreme to get the slightest edge against each other for several months now. We figured that if we could play nicely and police this measure between ourselves, it would be able to be carried over to FFA mobs as well. It's much easier to slip something past when there is only one other guild watching you -- when you have 6 guilds each watching the other, it becomes exponentially more difficult to get away with abuses. At that point, if you actually get away with it - then shit, you earned it, Bond.

I have no interest in playing FrapsQuest with you or any other guild. We can't have nice things because you and your ilk are morons that have brought the raidscene to this idiotic crescendo.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no interest in playing FrapsQuest with you or any other guild. We can't have nice things because you and your ilk are morons that have brought the raidscene to this idiotic crescendo.

You realize that FrapsQuest has never played a role in our 'foot race'. Fraps really only comes into question when resolved matters regarding trains.

[forensic]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coth ducking is stupid. No one is disputing that, but it happens to be the most easily policed method of making sure no one is cheating. Everyone has two trackers (they're usually mages) and everyone can see those two trackers, you can see in the logs when someone has been cothed in to get FTE. The proposal via Unbrella was we could eliminate coth ducking and replace it with a straight footrace. Which means you'd need constant fraps to ensure that whoever got FTE was at the zoneline initially which is just as ludicrous as coth ducking.

So in the mean time coth ducking will stay until something else is figured out.

Does this server have some kind of super advanced detection for speedhacks? Cause back in classic EQ, footraces were the easiest thing in the world to hack.

Of course automating COTH ducking is even easier.

I could write a script in 5min that would automate COTH ducking. When the mob spawns it would automatically summon. The script would be entirely external to the EQ client and could even be isolated from the machine in such a way that if eqgame.exe does some kind of advanced spying is impossible for it to distinguish between a human doing the COTH ducking.

Combine this with a little alarm that triggers whenever something weird happens (i.e. GM checking up on us, tells, zoning, person comes nearby, movement) and give the script to whichever super loyal and trusted member is available to poopsock that day.

He can do his homework (college students are usually the best MMO players for a reason) while COTH ducking all day. Everyone will say he's a lame nerd poopsocker and believe that he's actually sitting there doing it manually LOL.

The GMs will investigate and conclude that he's a real person... because there is just no way for them to know.

Seriously, I could write that before lunchtime.

For extra credit, use VPNs so that everyone can log on to the guild mage and make it appear that the mage is always being played from the same IP address. Super flexible and easy.

It boggles my mind that people take this game seriously as an eSport when cheating is so fucking easy.

[Swish]

Meanwhile people aren't getting banned for using autofire, amirite?

[forensic]

It's just unreasonable to expect the GMs to be able to enforce those rules...

They can only catch the people who are dumb or who don't care about getting caught.

Banning those people does make the server better and I support that. But to make EQ into a hypercompetitive eSport is stupid because anyone who really wants to win will suddenly realize that they could spend 16 hours camping a dragon AND FAIL.... or spend 16 hours writing an undetectable program to do it for them AND WIN.

So why put yourself in that situation?

Don't play EQ as an eSport. Don't PvP. Be a carebear and come dungeon crawl Dalnir with me in newbie gear.

[Tewaz]

Instance or PVP, this problem is only going to get worse.

[Duckwalk]

TMO bitching over another guild willing to stoop lower than them to claim pixels? Priceless.

Clearly we need to hear more about how skill and dedication = all day poop socks and 4 am bar phones!!

I though you guys wanted competition?