Anita Sarkeesian

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While we are on the subject of equality in gaming. What have there been more of? Games with serious female main characters, or games with serious black male main characters?

What about black female main characters? I like how you just conveniently skip over that portion of society. Bigot misogynist chauvinist male pig man. How dare you!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes and it's from that video in fact. But you already knew that. and apparently share my viewpoints which I, in turn, share with the hot girl in aforementioned video. Quote related:



So I looked her up anyway. Basically she's the kind of person that drives me insane, the kind parodied in the video. So my assumption that I didn't care was correct, because I don't care about people like that. Besides, Quinnspiracy was enough for me, don't need to know about all these other bitches doing stupid shit. Their minds will never be changed. They'll never stop believing that they are mega oppressed and that they are fighting for anything other than utter role reversal and the same oppression they claim to hate, rather than the equality they claim to fight for. Why keep fighting them or concerning yourself with them? Just let them keep crying in their corners until they realize they aren't fucking special enough to be oppressed.

Fair enough.

Why I give a shit... It's not her specifically that I despise so much, it's the corruption of gaming journalism coupled with radical feminism overall. It's like Nazi germany in the 30s/40s, you didn't just hate (Godwin), you hated the Nazis but you talked about (Godwin) because he was the big one.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about black female main characters? I like how you just conveniently skip over that portion of society. Bigot misogynist chauvinist male pig man. How dare you!

Damnit, now I will have to marry a black lesbian feminist to get my credibility back.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damnit, now I will have to marry a black lesbian feminist to get my credibility back.

Marry?!?!? What so you can own her like a piece of furniture? Just gonna hang her up on your wall like a piece of art added to you collection? A real woman would never submit to the act of marriage. And a real man would never ask her to. Just go back to admiring your testicles in a mirror you overgrown homunculi!

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Marry?!?!? What so you can own her like a piece of furniture? Just gonna hang her up on your wall like a piece of art added to you collection? A real woman would never submit to the act of marriage. And a real man would never ask her to. Just go back to admiring your testicles in a mirror you overgrown homunculi!

It will still work, look at what Hillary has done for Bill Clinton.

[iruinedyourday]

Well to be fair guys in her videos he constantly sights the lack of black and other minatory role models for that matter, as examples of the gaming industry being unable to escape its reliance on bad tropes.

And game devs listen. So, once again she champions the good fight and challenges developers to think critically about their art.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well to be fair guys in her videos he constantly sights the lack of black and other minatory role models for that matter, as examples of the gaming industry being unable to escape its reliance on bad tropes.

And game devs listen. So, once again she champions the good fight and challenges developers to think critically about their art.

One of the problems that I have with some of the people that defend her work is that if you remove some of the trope elements from some of these games they just won't be as interesting. Yes, you can take the strippers out of the strip club, but does that really do anything? Should we force narrative away from strip clubs, dens of sexual deviance, legit brothels, etc, just because they use women as background decoration? I'm not really sure that it's fair on a creative level if you think about it.

It's one thing to see the tropes for what they are, and it's another to remove them all together from the gaming industry. I think a lot of her supporters feel that you can still create an interesting environment without exploiting humans in some way, and I disagree. Human exploitation is one of the easiest and most often the most interesting way to drive story.

However, there are other tropes that can easily be challenged. A 20 something white male does not need to be the main character of every major game, and that's one of the reasons I found Watch Dogs really kind of boring. There's no reason why a woman has to so often be something that men are fighting over, and there's no reason that she needs to be saved all the time.

For me though, as a game designer/writer, I feel like you should write for your game and not for your audience. That's not a philosophy most share.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the problems that I have with some of the people that defend her work is that if you remove some of the trope elements from some of these games they just won't be as interesting. Yes, you can take the strippers out of the strip club, but does that really do anything? Should we force narrative away from strip clubs, dens of sexual deviance, legit brothels, etc, just because they use women as background decoration? I'm not really sure that it's fair on a creative level if you think about it.

I have little doubt that if you wrote a deep and real story that takes place in a strip club or den of sexual deviance Anita Sarkeesian would stand behind you.

If you made a game about shooting people in the mall, and going to the strip club and pressing triangle over and over again to listen to girls moan and dance around doing nothing to move the story forward, she would call you out as being a bad game designer/writer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have little doubt that if you wrote a deep and real story that takes place in a strip club or den of sexual deviance Anita Sarkeesian would stand behind you.

If you made a game about shooting people in the mall, and going to the strip club and pressing triangle over and over again to listen to girls moan and dance around doing nothing to move the story forward, she would call you out as being a bad game designer/writer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Serious question. Noting that 'depth' is a subjective term, have you even played that level in Hitman? Did you at least watch a complete let's play for that level of Hitman? Judging by your post I'm forced to assume that you haven't.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Serious question. Noting that 'depth' is a subjective term, have you even played that level in Hitman? Did you at least watch a complete let's play for that level of Hitman? Judging by your post I'm forced to assume that you haven't.

Try not to make to many judgments it will make your life communicating anonymously with strangers a lot easier.

as a matter of fact I played the last hitman and it was an alright game.

but.. it is still incredibly childish compared to even the script for fucking Taken for fucks sake.

If you think games are not childish then you're just not playing games, mon!