Raid Rule Madness

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Just facts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how OP and the rest of the so called righteous people of this server pretend that if AG and the rest of the guilds that tracked on the spawn spot hadn't messed up, Taken would have not have had FTE on that dragon....

Did everyone miss the GM log posts?
That clearly showed that the Taken guild FTE player was 11 sec ahead of the next FTE attempt to attack the dragon before TMO.

Basically TWO guilds in that log has their FTE players tag first, without having their trackers get aggro first, Taken & TMO, and Taken FTE player was 11 sec ahead of TMO. (I would guess because TMO's mage got feared, due to the raid interfering from the other guilds, and were prevented from casting their coth spells, it's the same thing as training another guilds tracker, every tracker on the spawn spot should be happy that TMO did not go for raid suspensions for the raid interference from the other guilds on the spawn spot)

What is most surprising is why Taken & TMO didn't petition all the others for raid interfering.

FACTS: if the trackers from the other guilds hadn't messed up the tracking by standing on the spawn spot, it would have been a Taken vs TMO race, Taken because they had their trackers out of range of spawn aggro and TMO because they made sure their Tracker didn't get first aggro.

FACTS: TMO's attempt was interfered with due to other guilds having KOS trackers on the spawn spot, basically TMO was forced to give TAKEN a head start of the duration on the fear spell = giving Taken a free shot at the dragon.

IF anyone should be pissed right now it's TMO that had their attempt interfered with by the guilds that had their KOS trackers on the spawn.

it's not supprising that the other guild are trying to shift the focus and blame to someone else other then them selfs and from what I've seen sofar it looks like it's working, as far as I know TMO has not petitioned AG/IB/BDA for raid interfering with their attempt at a FFA dragon forcing them to give TAKEN guild a free shot at a dragon.

Keep creating new posts and maybe someone from TMO might create that petition and have the three guilds suspended.

You sir are fucking all kinda of extra.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those not in the know, Nagafen was engaged by Taken and was being killed - they had Naggy down to 20% and had 30 people engaged. They were in no danger of wiping, but a few BDA people got on the encounter log at the end. There was no collusion between Taken and BDA on the kill and BDA received no compensation whatsoever. Since both BDA and Taken had trackers present before the mob popped, however, TMO said there was a violation and said they were denied a dragon somehow. SO they petitioned to get Sirken's ruling overturned. TMO wanted a dragon from Taken and BDA. BDA offered to not go for the next FFA Naggy.

Naggy's health was 35% and reneging, and the last handful of taken were being summoned and killed. At least 30 BDA ran in and zerged it down so class C wouldn't be able to attempt it. There was no collusion, as Taken did not ask them to do this. However, BDA violated the 2 tracker rule, as they jumped in and helped Taken kill a mob when Taken already had two trackers of their own. Meaning the total force which killed naggy, tracked with more than two trackers pas the zone line. TMO didn't want or ask for a dragon from Taken at all, since they did nothing wrong. Metallikus has no problem telling outright lies.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken kill a mob when Taken already had two trackers of their own. Meaning the total force which killed naggy, tracked with more than two trackers pas the zone line.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO didn't want or ask for a dragon from Taken at all, since they did nothing wrong.

wait, did they violate the 2 tracker rule or not? you call anthrax a liar but you're clearly attempting to slant facts to fit the TMO agenda. hypocrite.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait, did they violate the 2 tracker rule or not? you call anthrax a liar but you're clearly attempting to slant facts to fit the TMO agenda. hypocrite.

Takens trackers + BDAs trackers = more than two. Taken was all dying, however, and they had no part in consciously breaking the rule themselves. They didn't ask BDA to do what they did, supposedly. Therefore BDA violated the rule by running in and helping, when they knew they had at least one tracker of their own. Try and keep up with the conversation if you're going to call people names.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Takens trackers + BDAs trackers = more than two.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They didn't ask BDA to do what they did

if there's no collusion, it's not taken + bda trackers.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Therefore BDA violated the rule by running in and helping, when they knew they had at least one tracker of their own.

what rule? so you're making up rules that two separate raid forces cannot have their own trackers? or is it that they count as the same raid force if they're both competing against TMO?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there's no collusion, it's not taken + bda trackers.



what rule? so you're making up rules that two separate raid forces cannot have their own trackers? or is it that they count as the same raid force if they're both competing against TMO?

The same raid force cannot track with more than two trackers. When FE/IB raided together, they had to abide by those same rules. Taken and BDA became one raid force when BDA jumped on Taken's Nagafen. BDA and Taken killed that dragon together. It's not difficult to understand.

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since TMO gets their kicks from denying loot to anyone but themselves, this is a win for them since the loot was destroyed. That is why they aren't petitioning. That is why umbrella isn't harassing the GMs on facebook or Skype to change the ruling.

This dude Unbrella stalked the GMs for 2 months after the FFA Naggy incident to get a new ruling. Sirken had already ruled that there was no raid interference and everyone went about their business till 2 months later Unbrella got Derubael to re-evaluate the situation. For those not in the know, Nagafen was engaged by Taken and was being killed - they had Naggy down to 20% and had 30 people engaged. They were in no danger of wiping, but a few BDA people got on the encounter log at the end. There was no collusion between Taken and BDA on the kill and BDA received no compensation whatsoever. Since both BDA and Taken had trackers present before the mob popped, however, TMO said there was a violation and said they were denied a dragon somehow. SO they petitioned to get Sirken's ruling overturned. TMO wanted a dragon from Taken and BDA. BDA offered to not go for the next FFA Naggy.

Somehow, thru litigation, BDA got suspended from their next rotated class R Naggy (ridiculous). TMO didn't get a dragon, Taken kept the loot. Mind you, there was no fraps submitted to prove anything. TMO says they somehow didn't have fraps of this incident (not likely, big fat liars) and the other guilds thought the incident was behind them since sirken had already ruled no violation so they didn't keep their fraps.

tldr, Unbrella = scum of the earth. BDA loses a rotated class R dragon for a ffa "violation".

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[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tldr: [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since TMO gets their kicks from denying loot to anyone but themselves, this is a win for them since the loot was destroyed. That is why they aren't petitioning. That is why umbrella isn't harassing the GMs on facebook or Skype to change the ruling.

This dude Unbrella stalked the GMs for 2 months after the FFA Naggy incident to get a new ruling. Sirken had already ruled that there was no raid interference and everyone went about their business till 2 months later Unbrella got Derubael to re-evaluate the situation. For those not in the know, Nagafen was engaged by Taken and was being killed - they had Naggy down to 20% and had 30 people engaged. They were in no danger of wiping, but a few BDA people got on the encounter log at the end. There was no collusion between Taken and BDA on the kill and BDA received no compensation whatsoever. Since both BDA and Taken had trackers present before the mob popped, however, TMO said there was a violation and said they were denied a dragon somehow. SO they petitioned to get Sirken's ruling overturned. TMO wanted a dragon from Taken and BDA. BDA offered to not go for the next FFA Naggy.

Somehow, thru litigation, BDA got suspended from their next rotated class R Naggy (ridiculous). TMO didn't get a dragon, Taken kept the loot. Mind you, there was no fraps submitted to prove anything. TMO says they somehow didn't have fraps of this incident (not likely, big fat liars) and the other guilds thought the incident was behind them since sirken had already ruled no violation so they didn't keep their fraps.

tldr, Unbrella = scum of the earth. BDA loses a rotated class R dragon for a ffa "violation".

Hahah the butthurt over this naggy is incredible. I was there and clearly u forget to mention that taken was, in fact, wiping. You BDA hatemongers said "oh man if they wipe we arent good enough to beat TMO so lets help them!" You took a risk and it backfired. QQ moar

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ask them why they would not submit a fraps of the incident.

TMO always has a fraps.

I had a fraps of this myself. Probably at least 5 other people did. I never uploaded it because it showed nothing relevant. How would a video of the incident have helped the situation? It would have showed Taken engaging, and then BDA running in and killing it at around 30%. Everyone knew what happened, and the GMs have the logs of when BDA engaged. No fraps was needed.