First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[justin2090]

Basically the grass is always greener on top of the septic tank. If you think its bad now just wait for some GM intervention.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this quote = current raid scene

Which I'm totally fine with. If the kill boards were a little more blue this week, I'm sure they'd be fine with it too.

[dav]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which I'm totally fine with. If the kill boards were a little more blue this week, I'm sure they'd be fine with it too.

Which is wrong. People shouldn't be whining because of the way that one weeks worth of raiding goes. Just because IB/FE lost FTE on VS doesn't mean that DA stalling is all of a sudden wrong, anymore than it means that variance and poopsocking is messed up. They've always been issues, and not classic.

If people would stop lobbying for changes simply because it benefits them one week, and instead if the GMs would buy into the fact that certain actions are wrong and not-classic and instead fix them for the server as a whole, I think we would be a lot better off.

What we currently have is the people that created bullshit like Variance and blessed things such as VP-training and DA-stalling openly stating things like this:

Let's use Trak as an example. The other day fe/ib got a Trak engage with just a few people in the zone. You guys were able to get your raid force in and down trak in about ~2minutes. This took skill, organization, mobilization, and was a good kill. These are the kinds of things we want to encourage here, not planting 50 people at trak spawn and having me turn you all into boats.

Yes because, that's what camping out characters, FTE tagging and stalling while they log-in from a batphone is. Skill, organization, and mobilization, just like classic EQ.. right?

Wait, no that didn't happen. Sorry.

As long as the people making the rules and calling the shots are under the assumption that all of this non-classic garbage is somehow good for the server/them then it's going to continue.

If the entire playerbase and not just the one guild it benefits given the current week would come out and say: "This stuff is stupid and is not a classic mechanic please fix it" I think they would be a lot more liable to actually listen/care.

The problem is that some people have ADAPTED to these rules and are good at them, so they don't want to change them (a few persons withstanding) until they stop benefiting from them.

Personally, I just want the mechanics to be classic, regardless of whether or not it means the playerbase has to sit at a mobs spawnpoint and wait for a known spawntime and fight it out for FTE.

It shouldn't matter who is benefiting from the current system one week to the next, it should be looked at in a "how did it work during classic EQ" sense.

The truth is that until all parties involved want it to change, and the guides/gms/devs/admins come to their senses and realize that FTE tagging, DA stalling, VP-training, batphoning, and every other single thing that is not-classic is a detriment to the playerbase/server at large, things are going to remain the same.

Glad you're fine with it for now though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Erati]

^ that wasnt bias perspective or anything


we had 15-17 people on the ramp enroute to kill Inny in his room

but ty for showing how TMO paints pictures to fit their story

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ that wasnt bias perspective or anything


we had 15-17 people on the ramp enroute to kill Inny in his room

but ty for showing how TMO paints pictures to fit their story

I saw the fraps that were used to suspend Sericx. There was definitely not a raid force at the bottom of the ramp - it was a few people wondering around. A raid force is never present in any set of fraps from that incident.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I saw the fraps that were used to suspend Sericx. There was definitely not a raid force at the bottom of the ramp - it was a few people wondering around. A raid force is never present in any set of fraps from that incident.

right we like to casually stroll around hate w 4 people with TMO in zone n Inny up

the only reason anyone would b there would b with a raid force

thats the problem w this server ... all ab rulelawyers and what you can Prove "tm"

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right we like to casually stroll around hate w 4 people with TMO in zone n Inny up

the only reason anyone would b there would b with a raid force

thats the problem w this server ... all ab rulelawyers and what you can Prove "tm"

Oh, I definitely believe there were more Taken in the zone than the few I saw on fraps. But, there was not a raid force present at the ramp and the few that got trained seemed to just be wondering around on/near the ramp (a severe choke point if pulling to the zone is allowed).

[Erati]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(a severe choke point if pulling to the zone is allowed).

exactly why is pulling to zone allowed again?

classic- u raced to Inny n killed him in his room
first 2 yrs P99- u raced to Inny n killed him in his room
Now -shitshow

[justin2090]

Lets also not forget that the GM's here are volunteers. They don't have ample amounts of time to police the eq world. I think we all forget this cause this server is so good. Having them enforce a set schedule would take time away from their RL and without any monetary compensation. I think it's asking too much.

[kotton05]

grats on trak n vs for first time in awhile tmo, jeez must of been really working hard to stir this much sshit over them