Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Again, when you can't do anything else, resort to insults/memes.

[PlsNoBan]

People resort to memes and insults when they're trying to have a reasonable discussion with an unreasonable person that appears to have the mental capacity of a child. It gets frustrating and tiresome and sometimes memes and name calling are just easier. Nobody said DPS is irrelevant. More damage is always going to be helpful in some way. That's why a mage doing 50% more dps than your shaman is a better option when the other utility a shaman brings is largely irrelevant with enchanters and a cleric in the group. Your heals aren't needed. Your slow isn't needed. Your dots won't have time to tick and so on. Everyone knows shaman is a strong class just not ideal for this hypothetical group. You just unfortunately have such a strong boner for the class that it's drained your brain of all the blood it needs to think clearly and realize shaman isn't the ideal choice here.

We're arguing with someone that clearly has mental issues of some kind. A very large shaman boner. No blood in the brain. Posts the same bad information over and over. Makes up hypothetical situations that would never occur in reality to justify his bullshit (root rotting adds.etc). When called out just doubles down and pretends he's correct cause you didn't post enough data or do enough math so you couldn't possibly be right. Then on top of it all when people understandably get frustrated trying to converse with this imbecile he just makes another 50 posts bitching about people calling him names. My favorite is when he points out like 8 people combined have 500 posts and how thats a bad thing but it's not bad that he alone has 550 posts in this thread. At the current rate of posting he's going to have 3x as many posts as the 2nd highest poster here pretty soon. The mental gymnastics are the most impressive DSM feature I think.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People resort to memes and insults when they're trying to have a reasonable discussion with an unreasonable person that appears to have the mental capacity of a child. It gets frustrating and tiresome and sometimes memes and name calling are just easier. Nobody said DPS is irrelevant. More damage is always going to be helpful in some way. That's why a mage doing 50% more dps than your shaman is a better option when the other utility a shaman brings is largely irrelevant with enchanters and a cleric in the group. Your heals aren't needed. Your slow isn't needed. Your dots won't have time to tick and so on. Everyone knows shaman is a strong class just not ideal for this hypothetical group. You just unfortunately have such a strong boner for the class that it's drained your brain of all the blood it needs to think clearly and realize shaman isn't the ideal choice here.

We're arguing with someone that clearly has mental issues of some kind. A very large shaman boner. No blood in the brain. Posts the same bad information over and over. Makes up hypothetical situations that would never occur in reality to justify his bullshit (root rotting adds.etc). When called out just doubles down and pretends he's correct cause you didn't post enough data or do enough math so you couldn't possibly be right. Then on top of it all when people understandably get frustrated trying to converse with this imbecile he just makes another 50 posts bitching about people calling him names. My favorite is when he points out like 8 people combined have 500 posts and how thats a bad thing but it's not bad that he alone has 550 posts in this thread. At the current rate of posting he's going to have 3x as many posts as the 2nd highest poster here pretty soon. The mental gymnastics are the most impressive DSM feature I think.

No, that is not what people do lol. If you think I am wrong, just let it go and stop posting. If you think I have a mental issue, this is even more sad because you are trying to win against someone who you think is "autistic".

You are incapable of being told you are wrong, and you cannot even provide evidence to back up your claims.

Instead, you accumulate over 500 posts of memes/insults because "it's just easier".

The only person acting like a child here is you, and you are also still wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can back up your points with evidence at any time, or stop posting.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that is not what people do lol. If you think I am wrong, just let it go and stop posting. If you think I have a mental issue, this is even more sad because you are trying to win against someone who you think is "autistic".

You are incapable of being told you are wrong, and you cannot even provide evidence to back up your claims.

Instead, you accumulate over 500 posts of memes/insults because "it's just easier".

The only person acting like a child here is you, and you are also still wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can back up your points with evidence at any time, or stop posting.

"Just leave the thread so I can go off thinking I'm in the right, like the psychotic child that I am"

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[Keebz]

I feel like DSM has never played any other caster besides Shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like DSM has never played any other caster besides Shaman.

I have. I have also grouped/raided with the other classes many times. You don't need to have a level 60 character of every caster to know how the game works, and how other classes play.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol welcome to the thread. Honestly the best part about this thread has become new people coming in and telling DSM that he’s wrong and he writes unintelligible novels in response so the person just gets exasperated with him and then he starts insulting them.

Gloomlord has been the latest victim. Now the cycle shall begin anew.

Just because people say you are wrong, doesn't mean they are right[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You know what works? Providing counter-evidence.

[Gloomlord]

I'm against people being kicked out of a guild for reasons they disagree, since I remember being kicked out of a guild in Classic WoW for merely saying I thought reserving loot in PuGs was the antithesis of a fucking MMORPG. Opinions, USUALLY, should be respected.

But this man is so insane and childish, he honestly deserves to be kicked from this guild you guys speak about. He is an utter embarrassment to mature adults.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm against people being kicked out of a guild for reasons they disagree, since I remember being kicked out of a guild in Classic WoW for merely saying I thought reserving loot in PuGs was the antithesis of a fucking MMORPG. Opinions, USUALLY, should be respected.

But this man is so insane and childish, he honestly deserves to be kicked from this guild you guys speak about. He is an utter embarrassment to mature adults.

You really need to look in a mirror. You can't admit you are wrong, and insult anybody who disagrees with you.

Fallacies such as "Everybody thinks I am right, therefore I am right" are not a valid argument. I am not sure why you are so hung up on thinking you can continue a discussion in this manner. Either bring evidence or respectfully disagree. You are not special. You do not get to dictate by fiat who is right or wrong.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really need to look in a mirror. You can't admit you are wrong, and insult anybody who disagrees with you.

Fallacies such as "Everybody thinks I am right, therefore I am right" are not a valid argument. I am not sure why you are so hung up on thinking you can continue a discussion in this manner. Either bring evidence or respectfully disagree. You are not special. You do not get to dictate by fiat who is right or wrong.

Mage does 50% more dps than shaman by your own data. Shaman utility is largely useless in a group with 2 encs and a cleric. Shaman does less damage than mage and brings nothing else that really matters to the table. Math/Logic/Data all pointing to Mage > Shaman. Yet you have 550+ posts saying the opposite.

Riddle me this fuckhead: How do you suggest we provide "evidence" that will change your mind? Far as I'm concerned the evidence is already clear as day and you just bold face stare at it and go "Nope wrong cuz shaman boner". Or you just make up some bullshit about safety and how the shaman makes everything safer. If you knew anything about this game you'd know that was dumb. If you've been in multiple enc groups with a cleric you'd know they don't fucking need a shaman to be safe. They'll do just fine I promise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage does 50% more dps than shaman by your own data. Shaman utility is largely useless in a group with 2 encs and a cleric. Shaman does less damage than mage and brings nothing else that really matters to the table. Math/Logic/Data all pointing to Mage > Shaman. Yet you have 550+ posts saying the opposite.

Riddle me this fuckhead: How do you suggest we provide "evidence" that will change your mind? Far as I'm concerned the evidence is already clear as day and you just bold face stare at it and go "Nope wrong cuz shaman boner".

I have explained why Shaman is greater than a Mage, and why 20-30 DPS isn't going to affect your group in any meaningful way. During the leveling process 4 casters are already going to be leveling fast, and at level 60 Shamans open up more camps than a Mage.

As to what evidence I am looking for, there are a number of things you could provide.

First would be DPS data showing a Mage doing a lot more DPS on average than what the current data shows. If this discussion was not limited to Casters/Priests, a Rogue would be tempting, since they can do something like 133 DPS on average with Epic and a good offhand. That is 50 more DPS than a Mage and 80 more DPS than a Shaman. That is basically a safer Enchanter pet. You still would lose Malo support, but at least then you could probably start saving enough time on kills to wipe once an hour and still come out on top.

The other evidence you could provide is showing a level 60 Mage contributing more to high level camps than a Shaman by using DPS rather than Utility. Typically you would only pick a Mage over a Shaman if you need CoTH.