2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me things he could have done. Show me the magic fix we’re not doing.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another thing, you can’t pretend the relentless accusations about him, the fraudulent investigations aren’t to blame in part for how he acts toward the media and the left.

I don't, but why he got his unleaderlike quality, isn't why I care that it's unleaderlike.

When russiagate was a thing I said "this is just leftist obamamuslimgate" now huntergate is a thing and Im like "this is just rightist russiagate"

My best advice is to stay away from these "gates".

[FatherSioux]

1. How should the President force social distancing?
2. He should force ventilation? How? To whom? Who pays?
3. State issue, good he didn't force a national mandate.
4. Yes, lets have the Government remind people to wash their hands. Right.
5. Our testing has and continues to be well above average.
6. Contact tracing lol...this is a fairy tale
7. State issue, but again, why are you looking to the president to do these things?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. How should the President force social distancing?
   
   By not telling people it's not helpful and the virus is fake and will go away
   
   
2. He should force ventilation? How? To whom? Who pays?
   
   I wasnt being 100% literal but a little humorous, but if you insist, sure he should supply all small buisnesses with a special tax write off for Hvac upgrades to their buisnesses during pandemic, why NOT?? create jobs anyone?
   
   
3. State issue, good he didn't force a national mandate.
   
   Trump should have told people to calm down and act ratoinal not pretend this was communsim. Im just saying that is leadership.
   
   
4. Yes, lets have the Government remind people to wash their hands. Right.
   
   We had them telling them to drink bleech and masks dont work bruh yes, lets have the goverment tell us to not freak out about being asked to wash your hands because clearly lying to us is important enough to prevent us from panicking but telling us to argue and fight with each other will keep us calm and things certain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
   
   
5. Our testing has and continues to be well above average.
   
   This is false. Here is a link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/...nal-comparison
   
   Thing is, I don't need one, I have eyes and was here, and we did a crap job of testing and if you disagree thats because you don't care about testing and think what we did was fine.
   
   
6. Contact tracing lol...this is a fairy tale
   
   your imagined image of it is. But contract tracing is litreally what we're doing anyway despite trump making you think that it's communsim.
   
   
7. State issue, but again, why are you looking to the president to do these things?
   
   idk Im not looking at the meme while I waste my time arguing about the same thing you and I were arguing about on page 50 ITT so what is the point?
   

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't, but why he got his unleaderlike quality, isn't why I care that it's unleaderlike.

When russiagate was a thing I said "this is just leftist obamamuslimgate" now huntergate is a thing and Im like "this is just rightist russiagate"

My best advice is to stay away from these "gates".

Russiagate was investigated for literally his entire first term and failed every time to turn up any concrete evidence, as was admitted by people who don't even like him doing the investigations.

The hunter biden thing has more and more concrete evidence to support it every day, it is not conspiratorial, and is extremely germain to the election. I'd like to know if one of the candidates is an extremely corrupt establishment politician who speaks almost entirely in platitudes. Now you can argue it's transparently obvious that they are strategically deploying the evidence *now* when the election is right around the corner, and that's kinda slimy, and I agree with that.

Also with that swiss cheese example, surely forcibly locking people in their houses for a year would be the best measure? But he can't do that, because it's unconstitutional. He also can't necessarily do all of those things, because he can't just decree things like a magic king. As much as people like to call him a "fascist", the architecture of our political system literally prevents the president from becoming that. That was the whole idea with three branches of government and state sovereignty.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also with that swiss cheese example, surely forcibly locking people in their houses for a year would be the best measure?

No. I dont believe in authoritarianism just because you do.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. I dont believe in authoritarianism just because you do.

Nice zing, it was obviously a rhetorical question and you know that. It follows logically from the swiss cheese example. I'm saying many of those things *are* authoritarian, he legally cannot impose them by decree. Yet you're suggesting he is to blame for not imposing them? And then also saying you don't like authoritarianism? You've gotta the see the internal contradiction in that.

Also he never said it was "fake". There are like a billion statements of him acknowledging the danger. Please find me the clip where he said it was fake. Also people act like he just makes statements himself; he's the president, he's surrounded by medical advisers that relay relevant information about the pandemic to him, and then because he's not very articulate he botches them when answering press core questions off the cuff. Totally worth criticizing him for those type of things. It's not even remotely fair however to say that he's "responsible for 200k deaths". That's absurd and hyperbolic and partisan, and it's a central line to the democratic campaign rhetoric.

And, still, the extremely low mortality rate for this virus VS the economic impact is the central question. Now people are even trying to pass the buck on that to trump "well the lockdowns are necessary because you did such a bad job mister!" Like get real, every single state and local economy hardest hit by lockdowns is democratically governed. It's just like when they say the rioting is "on trumps watch". Like okay, that's a pretty easy game to play. Here watch: Everything bad that happened in the country during Obama's two terms is Obama's fault. See, it's a magic trick!

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But he can't do that, because it's unconstitutional. He also can't necessarily do all of those things, because he can't just decree things like a magic king. As much as people like to call him a "fascist", the architecture of our political system literally prevents the president from becoming that. That was the whole idea with three branches of government and state sovereignty.

Paging Jibartnik: A conservative would resist the expansion of power during an emergency, fearing the powers would become permanent and reduce our federal republic to an executive state. You wanted an example here is one from someone else since I guess you missed a more complete list I produced earlier.

[Jibartik]

BTW what does this mean:

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Following a site that cherry picks the dumbest members of a group is little more than mental masturbation. Rather than rejoicing that we are not at the absolute bottom of God's evolutionary scale, we should be looking upwards at the people who are doing things better than us in the hope we can take a step or two upwards.

and did you make that quote of me, or did I say that? Im super confused about all that hehe

[peterpal]

I admire Jibartik never giving up trying to teach forum neanderthals to use their small thinkies.

[FatherSioux]

Jib makes disingenuous claims to try and invite big brains like me.