2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Raev]

Since Lune did call me out, I thought I would post that I think there is pretty good statistical evidence for election fraud. The simplest argument is that Biden's election data totally fail the Benford's Law test. The discrepancy is so bad that Google now has Reuters 'fact check' as the first result for searches!

The fact check is itself a gigantic rhetorical fallacy. First they quote "experts" assuring everyone that Benford's Law doesn't always work without any sort of logical reasoning, a classic appeal to authority. Then they spend half their time laughing at some random guy that got it wrong - a classic strawman argument. Finally, they claim that 'because all Milwaukee wards have about 800 people, that Biden should get around half and thus have lots of numbers that begin with 4/5". A cursory glance at actual results shows that this is false. The only superficially serious objection that I could find is from 2017, and while I only skimmed it I believe it to be deliberately deceptive as their 'proof' is based on simulations and they only test the 2nd digit, which is much weaker, on actual cases.

If you don't like that, you can try this ZeroHedge article about the mail in ballots. The short version is that in contrast to the sharp differences in vote share between counties, all mail in dumps should have the same percentage of Biden/Trump because the Post Office effectively shuffles the mail in ballots. Instead, in key battleground states that percentage snuck up overnight.

Any election fraud was almost certainly accomplished via Dominion's electronic voting machines. Sidney Powell's lawsuit includes an affidavit by a well respected cyber security expert with an annoying compound name that I can't remember right now where he basically says that a) these machines were designed to commit fraud, and do not even have an audit log b) the entire company has substantial ties to China in multiple ways.

Finally, I consider election fraud to be the default rather than exception, so this is hardly surprising (Remember Stalin? "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes!") It's ridiculous that the Fake news spent multiple years frothing at the mouth about Russian interference in 2016 but now that we have actual video of people in Georgia counting after hours we are supposed to assume that a guy who never left his basement or had a rally with more than 10 people won by 10 million votes.

Regardless, I don't really consider election fraud all that important. The real issue is whether the American people will allow themselves to live in an Agenda 2030 totalitarian dictatorship because they are afraid of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate for people under age 70. Corona Circus has the best election analysis IMO and I think Trump will likely repeat as president, simply because the Right has the guns and needs to think they are in control.

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[Caroll]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since Lune did call me out, I thought I would post that I think there is pretty good statistical evidence for election fraud. The simplest argument is that Biden's election data totally fail the Benford's Law test. The discrepancy is so bad that Google now has Reuters 'fact check' as the first result for searches!

The fact check is itself a gigantic rhetorical fallacy. First they quote "experts" assuring everyone that Benford's Law doesn't always work without any sort of logical reasoning, a classic appeal to authority. Then they spend half their time laughing at some random guy that got it wrong - a classic strawman argument. Finally, they claim that 'because all Milwaukee wards have about 800 people, that Biden should get around half and thus have lots of numbers that begin with 4/5". A cursory glance at actual results shows that this is false. The only superficially serious objection that I could find is from 2017, and while I only skimmed it I believe it to be deliberately deceptive as their 'proof' is based on simulations and they only test the 2nd digit, which is much weaker, on actual cases.

If you don't like that, you can try this ZeroHedge article about the mail in ballots. The short version is that in contrast to the sharp differences in vote share between counties, all mail in dumps should have the same percentage of Biden/Trump because the Post Office effectively shuffles the mail in ballots. Instead, in key battleground states that percentage snuck up overnight.

Any election fraud was almost certainly accomplished via Dominion's electronic voting machines. Sidney Powell's lawsuit includes an affidavit by a well respected cyber security expert with an annoying compound name that I can't remember right now where he basically says that a) these machines were designed to commit fraud, and do not even have an audit log b) the entire company has substantial ties to China in multiple ways.

Finally, I consider election fraud to be the default rather than exception, so this is hardly surprising (Remember Stalin? "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes!") It's ridiculous that the Fake news spent multiple years frothing at the mouth about Russian interference in 2016 but now that we have actual video of people in Georgia counting after hours we are supposed to assume that a guy who never left his basement or had a rally with more than 10 people won by 10 million votes.

Regardless, I don't really consider election fraud all that important. The real issue is whether the American people will allow themselves to live in an Agenda 2030 totalitarian dictatorship because they are afraid of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate for people under age 70.

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Trump-appointed, Federalist Society appellate, district, and state Supreme Court judges along with the Attorney General found no credible evidence of fraud.

Your YouTube video isn't proof. Facts don't care about your opinions. Better luck next time.

[Caroll]

President-Elect Joseph R. Biden will be the President of the United States.

[Caroll]

The AP quotes Attorney General Barr as saying, quote, "to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election." In particular, Barr mentioned one claim made by the president's supporters that voting machines were programmed somehow to skew the results. Barr said the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security looked into those allegations and said they had not found anything to substantiate them.


"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy," wrote Judge Stephanos Bibas, a former member of the Federalist Society whom President Trump nominated to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2017. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so."

"Voters, not lawyers, choose the President," the court wrote. "Ballots, not briefs, decide elections."

Sorry you lost, better luck next time.

[Caroll]

I think the Attorney General and our judicial branch should be investigating Ted Cruz, since he also participated in a rigged election according to POTUS. Anyways, sorry you live on the fringes of society and your candidate lost the election. I think if you try harder next time you might win.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...ZSAPEC23ZBL9YS

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Caroll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump-appointed, Federalist Society appellate, district, and state Supreme Court judges along with the Attorney General found no credible evidence of fraud.

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Edit: it appears Carolls' quadruple rage post was somehow favored by the forum gods, who have leveled him up to Orc. This foul posting fraud will not stand . . . .

[Caroll]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Edit: it appears Carolls' quadruple rage post was somehow favored by the forum gods, who have leveled him up to Orc. This foul posting fraud will not stand . . . .

Interpreting posting on a gaming forum as rage is telling. Hope your problems get better.

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[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since Lune did call me out, I thought I would post that I think there is pretty good statistical evidence for election fraud. The simplest argument is that Biden's election data totally fail the Benford's Law test. The discrepancy is so bad that Google now has Reuters 'fact check' as the first result for searches!

The fact check is itself a gigantic rhetorical fallacy. First they quote "experts" assuring everyone that Benford's Law doesn't always work without any sort of logical reasoning, a classic appeal to authority. Then they spend half their time laughing at some random guy that got it wrong - a classic strawman argument. Finally, they claim that 'because all Milwaukee wards have about 800 people, that Biden should get around half and thus have lots of numbers that begin with 4/5". A cursory glance at actual results shows that this is false. The only superficially serious objection that I could find is from 2017, and while I only skimmed it I believe it to be deliberately deceptive as their 'proof' is based on simulations and they only test the 2nd digit, which is much weaker, on actual cases.

If you don't like that, you can try this ZeroHedge article about the mail in ballots. The short version is that in contrast to the sharp differences in vote share between counties, all mail in dumps should have the same percentage of Biden/Trump because the Post Office effectively shuffles the mail in ballots. Instead, in key battleground states that percentage snuck up overnight.

Any election fraud was almost certainly accomplished via Dominion's electronic voting machines. Sidney Powell's lawsuit includes an affidavit by a well respected cyber security expert with an annoying compound name that I can't remember right now where he basically says that a) these machines were designed to commit fraud, and do not even have an audit log b) the entire company has substantial ties to China in multiple ways.

Finally, I consider election fraud to be the default rather than exception, so this is hardly surprising (Remember Stalin? "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes!") It's ridiculous that the Fake news spent multiple years frothing at the mouth about Russian interference in 2016 but now that we have actual video of people in Georgia counting after hours we are supposed to assume that a guy who never left his basement or had a rally with more than 10 people won by 10 million votes.

Regardless, I don't really consider election fraud all that important. The real issue is whether the American people will allow themselves to live in an Agenda 2030 totalitarian dictatorship because they are afraid of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate for people under age 70. Corona Circus has the best election analysis IMO and I think Trump will likely repeat as president, simply because the Right has the guns and needs to think they are in control.

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This is where voter id by blockchain microchip, and viccination I'd by blockchain microchip coverage in "bipartisan" mandates.

It's all part of the show

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since Lune did call me out, I thought I would post that I think there is pretty good statistical evidence for election fraud. The simplest argument is that Biden's election data totally fail the Benford's Law test. The discrepancy is so bad that Google now has Reuters 'fact check' as the first result for searches!

The fact check is itself a gigantic rhetorical fallacy. First they quote "experts" assuring everyone that Benford's Law doesn't always work without any sort of logical reasoning, a classic appeal to authority. Then they spend half their time laughing at some random guy that got it wrong - a classic strawman argument. Finally, they claim that 'because all Milwaukee wards have about 800 people, that Biden should get around half and thus have lots of numbers that begin with 4/5". A cursory glance at actual results shows that this is false. The only superficially serious objection that I could find is from 2017, and while I only skimmed it I believe it to be deliberately deceptive as their 'proof' is based on simulations and they only test the 2nd digit, which is much weaker, on actual cases.

If you don't like that, you can try this ZeroHedge article about the mail in ballots. The short version is that in contrast to the sharp differences in vote share between counties, all mail in dumps should have the same percentage of Biden/Trump because the Post Office effectively shuffles the mail in ballots. Instead, in key battleground states that percentage snuck up overnight.

Any election fraud was almost certainly accomplished via Dominion's electronic voting machines. Sidney Powell's lawsuit includes an affidavit by a well respected cyber security expert with an annoying compound name that I can't remember right now where he basically says that a) these machines were designed to commit fraud, and do not even have an audit log b) the entire company has substantial ties to China in multiple ways.

Finally, I consider election fraud to be the default rather than exception, so this is hardly surprising (Remember Stalin? "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes!") It's ridiculous that the Fake news spent multiple years frothing at the mouth about Russian interference in 2016 but now that we have actual video of people in Georgia counting after hours we are supposed to assume that a guy who never left his basement or had a rally with more than 10 people won by 10 million votes.

Regardless, I don't really consider election fraud all that important. The real issue is whether the American people will allow themselves to live in an Agenda 2030 totalitarian dictatorship because they are afraid of a virus with a 99.5% survival rate for people under age 70. Corona Circus has the best election analysis IMO and I think Trump will likely repeat as president, simply because the Right has the guns and needs to think they are in control.

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Having read through all this I'm relieved that this is the best the election deniers could come up with. I'm not going to go through and refute it point by point because I'm never going to convince you, but just a few key points: Saying a positive hit on the Benford's Law Test is proof of fraud is like saying Hillary's 2016 polling numbers were proof of fraud, or a ding on an airport scanner is proof of a gun. These tests are sensitive, they are not specific. Appealing to experts is not necessarily the same as appealing to authority, when the expert explains their reasoning, especially when the expert in question is someone who studies said law in depth. The problem is people trying to have a substantive, academic discussion on twitter. Not going to happen. Also, both Biden and Trump had a supposed Benford's law aberration in the data you showed. Could mean it was Trump who cheated and still lost.

Why does a 99.5% survival rate for those under 70 matter? Are those over 70 not worth being protected? The more widespread the virus, the more these people are going to die. Nobody is asking for a totalitarian dictatorship (except Trump supporters) just simple, effective precautions like properly wearing a mask and not huddling together in bars so granny gets to enjoy her retirement instead of being in the ground.

PS: 330,000,000 x .005% is 1,650,000 deaths. Even if only 60% of us are ever infected, a conservative estimate given the sheer amount of MAGA, that's still 990,000... assuming a 99.5% survival rate, which is higher for children and lower for people with underlying conditions.

[Raev]

So first let me say that I am totally open to being convinced on all issues, and if you check my post history you can see that I left the Trump train long ago. I am not personally committed to any political position other than the gradual positive evolution of humanity. Anyway, let's try to raise the signal to noise ratio of this thread a few percent.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These tests are sensitive, they are not specific . . . could mean it was Trump who cheated and still lost.

I guess not, but you could be right here. I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of NWO politics and which crime families are currently working together.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when the expert explains their reasoning

If you reread my post, I specifically called them out for not explaining their reasoning. Let me repost their quotes:

Originally Posted by Theodore P. Hill

First, I’d like to stress that Benford’s Law can NOT be used to “prove fraud”. It is only a Red Flag test, that can raise doubts. E.g., the IRS has been using it for decades to ferret out fraudsters, but only by identifying suspicious entries, at which time they put the auditors to work on the hard evidence. Whether or not a dataset follows BL proves nothing.

Originally Posted by Walter Mebane

In any case, the 2BL test on its own should not be considered proof either that election fraud has occurred or that an election was clean. A significant 2BL test result can be caused by complications other than fraud. Some kinds of fraud the 2BL test cannot detect.

These quotes are simple statements of fact, and do not provide any evidence of anything, which is why I called them an appeal to authority. Also worth noting is that he is talking about the 2BL, when the 1BL is being used.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are those over 70 not worth being protected?

Surely we can agree that this is a question of economics and not a simple yes/no? For example, here the WHO talking about how we now have an additional 130 million people undernourished. And contrary to the WHO, this has nothing to do with the actual virus and everything to do with draconian lockdowns.

So yes, I care about Granny. I also care about 130 million people starving to death. Then we have to look at the mental health aspects. According to this random website depression has gone from 10% of the population to 30%. Isn't living longer while being miserable the wrong tradeoff? It's like the old joke about making up negative margins on volume.