Afghanistan Megathread

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, they should stay out of it that young. Killing an 8 month old baby is murder though sorry.

Roe didn't go that far even, you're barking in the dark here baby boy.

The Court divided the pregnancy period into three trimesters. During the first trimester, the decision to terminate the pregnancy was solely at the discretion of the woman. After the first trimester, the state could “regulate procedure.” During the second trimester, the state could regulate (but not outlaw) abortions in the interests of the mother’s health. After the second trimester, the fetus became viable, and the state could regulate or outlaw abortions in the interest of the potential life except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.

[Ooloo]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

[JurisDictum]

Let me just point out:

Roe vs Wade said that the first trimester abortion is what a woman had rights to. Women didn't necessarily have a right to a 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion -- and viability was considered particularly permissible criteria to block abortion access.

Then the rightwing started poking around with their sponsored judges put there to make the Republicans more popular with poor southern whites. Roe vs Wade was then gutting in the late 90s from all this trimester logic.

Which is stupid -- because there is some actual logic in make most abortion past the first trimester illegal. There have historically always been exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother. But otherwise -- you got a time limit on that shit.

But it is clear that the life at conception crowd is the overpowering voice of the "pro-life" anti-abortion movement. You c an see these old hateful fucks that live joyless lives gathered outside planned parenthood. They have the intent of harassing women that -- you guessed it -- are in the midst of a first trimester abortion.

Because they actually care about the trimester. They mostly focus on the first trimester! How to talk women out of their abortion right away. How to make all the red tape so extreme they might just have the kid instead...etc.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Roe didn't go that far even, you're barking in the dark here baby boy.

Okay cool so, it's only murder once the babby passes out of the vag? What about when it's halfway out? Is that just half a murder? What magically makes it murder post-vag but not pre-vag?

And I'll even give you rape, if a woman is raped she should be able to get an abortion at any point. But rape only accounts for like less than 1% of abortions, the issue is kind of all those other ones.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay cool so, it's only murder once the babby passes out of the vag? What about when it's halfway out? Is that just half a murder? What magically makes it murder post-vag but not pre-vag?

You're being willfully illiterate right now and I don't like you!!

Read the link or get lost.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

The argument was that they don't actually care about life and really its just another rationalization for getting to channel their anger at some group of evil people.

This is not a grand point. But there is only so many angles to tackle the abortion argument. Some see it as murder, some do not, they are kind of at an impasse.

It is somewhat relevant what the motivation of the two sides of the dispute hold.

[Mesocyclone]

Texas bad for not killing babies. I've fucking heard it all. HOW YA DOING TONIGHT, SATAN?

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

Fascist apologia is one thing but saying Carlin wasn't that funny just to own the libs is going too far.

[Jibartik]

Whale biologist you just said the court determines the trimester rule?

What the fuck is a court addressing medical issues for?

You people use the justice systems decision about consciousness as your arguments about why it’s ok to kill an inconvenient baby.

Smh

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whale biologist you just said the court determines the trimester rule?

That was the standard under Roe. Under Casey, it is fetal viability. That's the current precedent.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck is a court addressing medical issues for?

Because laws interact with the US Constitution.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people use the justice systems decision about consciousness as your arguments about why it’s ok to kill an inconvenient baby.

See above.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smh