My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[G13]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal.. roll up a fattie and zone out until Kunark comes out because classic always had high end content problems. If you're just trying to get a kill for the sake of reliving it I'm sure that will happen and if you're worried about drops then have fun stressing.

It stopped being about drops a long time ago brew

[Nizzarr]

Please refer to the first post in this thread for a solution to this problem.

Look -- theres not a million way to go about it. You either have a scrub rotation(24 hour to engage mobs and we're all in happy happy land) or theres the rotation I proposed which still have some kind of competition in it.

Or you keep having this campfest. Cuz let me tell you guys -- its not going away.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im glad to see a Dev say that they see theres a problem, because long term its going to be a bigger problem with the pop getting to higher tiers.

Its gonna be a matter of who can gather the biggest zerg guild, and arranging time zones so you can claim a mob 24/7.

Glad you see the problem as well!

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just admitted that your guild is incapable of mobilizing for a race and that this is why you have tried to eliminate that part of the EverQuest skill set. I don't understand why you're insulted when I question your skills, experience and leadership. You are sub-par, by your very own standards.

Sit and stew, then. This entire thread is yet another failed attempt at propaganda against IB. Do you know what the net effect of all this is? You make us look amazing. You make us look unbeatable. You direct the players who want to part of the best to app to us. Thanks.

Wow. You make it sound like the ability to mobilize is the single greatest attribute one can possess. I have never once come here and hated on IB because I do respect most of your members and think you guys are a fine guild. However, clearly mobilizing isn't as important as you think since camping has made the mobilization tactic obsolete. Your ability to mobilize in the current raid setting is about as useful as the ability to sword fight is in a modern day armed conflict.

As far as you insulting me as a player - I think anyone who knows me or has played with me knows that I'm a fine player who knows his class and the game - so just because your GUILD (collectively) has mobilized faster than my GUILD (collectively) in the past, it says very little about the over all quality of player. It simply implies that one guild has more members within a close proximity to their computers at the time the MOB spawns.

But way to come here and run your mouth like you're some sort of EQ all-star.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please refer to the first post in this thread for a solution to this problem.

Look -- theres not a million way to go about it. You either have a scrub rotation(24 hour to engage mobs and we're all in happy happy land) or theres the rotation I proposed which still have some kind of competition in it.

Or you keep having this campfest. Cuz let me tell you guys -- its not going away.

You really think your members are that bad that you couldn't practice mobilizing for a couple of days and compete? That's a shame. Why would you want to be in a guild that you think so poorly of?

[Nizzarr]

When we did mobilize, we beat ya to mobs.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So now the crutch they seem to be leaning on is "They are better at mobilization and organization" than anyone else, and proceed to call everyone n00bs. Let's get to the truth of the matter then. In the past they "camped" mobs as well. They just used a druid to do it instead of having 15 in zone do it. WOW, what a difference. So they camped at a druid/wiz ring and/or used shady methods to get somewhere in 5 minutes after a batphone instead of just being there ready.

You just gave an example of mobilization, not camping. Good job.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So either you people need to create a system with a majority vote that brings the server back to Planet Earth, or have this server be at the mercy of IB's greed. Your choice.

Good job at arguing the logical fallacy of "All or nothing".

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really is sad that what could have been a constructive thread for the health of the server overall was turned into a flamefest

By replies like yours too! Surprise!

[Starklen]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When we did mobilize, we beat ya to mobs.

You should be pretty comfortable not camping mobs then.

[Icecometus]

Camping the Bosses leads to a kind of rotation. Why not just formalize it?

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. You make it sound like the ability to mobilize is the single greatest attribute one can possess. I have never once come here and hated on IB because I do respect most of your members and think you guys are a fine guild. However, clearly mobilizing isn't as important as you think since camping has made the mobilization tactic obsolete. Your ability to mobilize in the current raid setting is about as useful as the ability to sword fight is in a modern day armed conflict.

As far as you insulting me as a player - I think anyone who knows me or has played with me knows that I'm a fine player who knows his class and the game - so just because your GUILD (collectively) has mobilized faster than my GUILD (collectively) in the past, it says very little about the over all quality of player. It simply implies that one guild has more members within a close proximity to their computers at the time the MOB spawns.

But way to come here and run your mouth like you're some sort of EQ all-star.

I honestly have no idea if you're a great, good, average, poor or awful EQ player. I think I'm a pretty good EQ player. There are a bunch of things I know how to do in theory, fewer things I can perform consistently and well, a lot of things I can do sometimes and a whole bunch of things I'm not very good at.

There is a major element of this game that your guild is so bad at that you're willing to spam recruit and sit in one spot for days on end. You have chosen to align yourself with that weak guild. That definitely brings into question both your quality as a player and your judgement as an individual.

Incidentally, your old guild, In Virtue, kicked my guild's ass up and down the block for the entire time I played on Kane Bayle. Not once did I run to the forums with whining and accusations. Not once did I petition or try to get rules changed because something wasn't fair. We worked hard and practiced and got better and got a kill here and there. I believe in rewarding hard work. I don't believe in rewarding people for gaming the system.