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Old 12-16-2012, 06:37 PM
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You're attacking an argument that I didn't make. Perhaps you're trolling or perhaps you can't read. Either is possible on this forum. I wasn't arguing that there should be an unarmed populace, I was saying that the graph was dishonest, and it is.

Creating black markets never works because it doesn't decrease the demand for whatever it is being outlawed, it only drives the supply and demand underground. Guns would be no different than drugs or prostitution.
Quotes directly, "argument i didnt make lolo"
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:44 PM
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We gotta figure out what drives these kinds of psychopathic attacks. Just saying someone was "mentally unstable" and leaving it at that isn't enough. There's some cause, and hopefully this will cause us to focus more on figuring out the problem. You could ban guns, knives, piano wire, and all explosives, and you could turn schools into prisons with armed security, and a pshychopath would still find a way to do things like this.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:33 PM
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It's easy to simply label someone a 'psychopath' or 'monster', but truthfully these individuals are human beings like the rest of us. People act so outraged when stuff like this happens, as if cruelty isn't as big a part of being human as compassion or anything else. We act gentle and civilized but it's all just a thin film over disgusting savagery. Germans exterminated jews, Americans exterminated native American men, women, and children, Syrians murder each other, the Japanese systematically raped the Chinese... look at any period in human history and you'll find some scale of genocide and just general buttfuckery.

Look at the extent to which people use anonymity to inflict misery online. They don't call it the 'internet love machine', the predominant emotions on the internet are hatred and anger. People attack each other so extensively they are driven to suicide. Look what you guys did to Dredge simply for the lulz.

Remember being a child? Ever been around children? There are some unimaginably fucking cruel children. They call each other ugly and exclude one another, spread nasty rumors, and just generally emotionally assfuck one another. Come to think about it, this behavior extends to adulthood. Ever worked with an office full of women?

Does that mean it's okay to shoot up a school full of innocent children? Nope.

But you also can't dehumanize someone who does monstrous things. Nothing is more human than being a monster. Animals aren't capable of malice. So basically this:

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We gotta figure out what drives these kinds of psychopathic attacks. Just saying someone was "mentally unstable" and leaving it at that isn't enough.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:25 PM
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Read all the posts thus far and wow.

So basically I have to acknowledge the x amount of dead or dying children around the globe before giving my 2 cp? Nice.

IMO, the ones who jump straight from story to solutions are the problem-solvers. The issue i'm having with that, in relation to tragedy, is that those who are mourning probably don't give a shit about solutions right now.

I think when most people deal with tragedy, we deal with it through tunnel vision. All we can (and should) focus on are the victims. It's when the blame-game is introduced all hell seems to break loose.

Shame on those who minimize tragedy by immediately seeing an opportunity to push their own agendas i.e. for/against gun control, "children around the world" argument.

Just back the fuck off for a few moments. I'd say 10% of the shit spewing out of your mouths is actually getting through, anyway.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:37 PM
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:20 PM
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Animals aren't capable of malice.
I'm not so sure. I've seen a cat "toy" with a dying bird/mouse for hours. I put the word toy in quotes because it's more like extended hideous torture.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:39 PM
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:52 PM
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I'm not so sure. I've seen a cat "toy" with a dying bird/mouse for hours. I put the word toy in quotes because it's more like extended hideous torture.
Difference is, the cat isn't making a conscious choice to torture the mouse. It doesn't have the intellectual complexity for morality to be a consideration, it's just acting on instinct. Same thing with lions killing cubs fathered by other lions, orcas tossing mutilated seals around. or dolphins and ducks raping each other.

A human has the capacity to make a choice independent of internal and external stimuli. Everything a human actively does is a choice. When we torture somebody, or when we murder other people, we're choosing to do so. We're very adept at shirking the responsibility for those choices (I couldn't help myself///I was fighting for my country///Those people are evil///It was defense)

We're the only species capable of actively choosing to avoid killing, torture, and destruction altogether. Yet we're the most effective and accomplished killers, torturers, and destroyers on Earth.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:36 PM
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Children die every day. Children die violently every day. Children die violently due to policies of the United States government every day.

Why were yesterday's children special?
ALL children are THAT special, asshole.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:44 PM
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we are all children of god
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