no global ooc in offpeak killed the game

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by JaVeDK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the argument that people can just be more pro-active in their search for groups is in theory valid, but it's not realistic. We could stop climate change if we all recycled, and poverty if we all gave more to charity - those are the same kinds of arguments, but they will never work because people are not that way. This is something to be understood, not used to point fingers and assign blame.

Identifying the source of the problem is the major component of fixing it. You give such bad analogies i cannot help but think your analysis of the problem here is similarly flawed XD.

Im sorry but global poverty is not gonna get fixed with the average joe donating money to charity and not caused because the average joe is not donating money to charity. Global warming is not caused by people not recycling. Ill leave it at that cuz i dont wanna derail the thread more than it already has been. XD

[JaVeDK]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Identifying the source of the problem is the major component of fixing it. You give such bad analogies i cannot help but think your analysis of the problem here is similarly flawed XD.

Im sorry but global poverty is not gonna get fixed with the average joe donating money to charity and not caused because the average joe is not donating money to charity. Global warming is not caused by people not recycling. Ill leave it at that cuz i dont wanna derail the thread more than it already has been. XD

I think it is you who completely misunderstood what I meant. Of course global warming etc will not be changed as a result of people recycling - only an idiot would think so, that's why I thought it would be obvious that it was only meant as an example of the kind of flawed logic used in the argument that "if only people [x], then [y]" and why things don't work that way in the real world. The analogies are completely valid, because they all concern problems that to a very large degree can be fixed if people change behaviour (although those issues are obviously much more complex, but as this isn't a debate on how to fix the climate or poverty it isn't relevant to go into detail). Making people change behaviour is much easier said than done, illustrated in abundance by human history.

[Lyrren]

Originally Posted by Vonblund [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or to be precise...

Yes when there are 600 players on the server, it's fine you can run to EC and buy /sell stuff. You can go to a dungeon and shout LFG

In off peak, which is my play time as well as I suppose the other 200 guys who are on at that time, this just doesn't work.

The game world feels empty, and you bump into a group opportunity more by chance and random fluke than anything else, Might as well play a solo offline game.

I really enjoyed this server while global ooc was one, now much less so.

I completely disagree, I have no problem finding groups in off peak time, in fact I find it easier than during peak times when everyone is competing for that last slot in the most desired group.

Turn on LFG and you will get an invite sooner or later, just be patient.

[girth]

The only thing global chat really helps is people LFG for their alts or characters they aren't on at the moment, which may alleviate some of the issues, but it won't be a panacea like some of you want. The only thing that will really help is more recruiting of people that play those odd hours. If you don't help this server grow, who will? They(devs) can't really advertise the server themselves since most EMU communities have unwritten rules not to recruit from each other - and thats normally the best place to advertise on the internet for stuff like this. I went around to old guild forums from guilds on my old Live server and posted threads about this game. No telling if it helped but it cannot hurt.

PS I play in non peak hours.

[abcd]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing global chat really helps is people LFG for their alts or characters they aren't on at the moment, which may alleviate some of the issues, but it won't be a panacea like some of you want. The only thing that will really help is more recruiting of people that play those odd hours. If you don't help this server grow, who will? They(devs) can't really advertise the server themselves since most EMU communities have unwritten rules not to recruit from each other - and thats normally the best place to advertise on the internet for stuff like this. I went around to old guild forums from guilds on my old Live server and posted threads about this game. No telling if it helped but it cannot hurt.

PS I play in non peak hours.

The global chat is not only just to help people find groups. I'm not sure how you came up with that idea?

One of the first things I did when I logged in was to ask a simple question in ooc. Now I can't and im stuck in a silent void.

It's kinda like some of those really old computer games you have fond memories of. Mine could be my first lan experience playing Doom and Warcraft 2, those games were beyond AWESOME back then. Today they just suck.

Another classic is the "man i could play diablo 1 all night" and you download the game, install it, load it up and you just stare at that 640*480 resolution for a few seconds before you ALT + F4 / CTRL + ALT + DLT.

Kinda like were this game went.

[girth]

Originally Posted by abcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The global chat is not only just to help people find groups. I'm not sure how you came up with that idea?

One of the first things I did when I logged in was to ask a simple question in ooc. Now I can't and im stuck in a silent void.

It's kinda like some of those really old computer games you have fond memories of. Mine could be my first lan experience playing Doom and Warcraft 2, those games were beyond AWESOME back then. Today they just suck.

Another classic is the "man i could play diablo 1 all night" and you download the game, install it, load it up and you just stare at that 640*480 resolution for a few seconds before you ALT + F4 / CTRL + ALT + DLT.

Kinda like were this game went.

I 'came up' with that idea because its almost the only reason people spout off when they are supporters of global chat.

If you want to ask a question, try the forums? Send a tell to somebody? Ask your guild? Your zone you're in? Why does it have to be a question that EVERYBODY logged in has to see?

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by abcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The global chat is not only just to help people find groups. I'm not sure how you came up with that idea?

One of the first things I did when I logged in was to ask a simple question in ooc. Now I can't and im stuck in a silent void.

It's kinda like some of those really old computer games you have fond memories of. Mine could be my first lan experience playing Doom and Warcraft 2, those games were beyond AWESOME back then. Today they just suck.

Another classic is the "man i could play diablo 1 all night" and you download the game, install it, load it up and you just stare at that 640*480 resolution for a few seconds before you ALT + F4 / CTRL + ALT + DLT.

Kinda like were this game went.

Can I have your stuff?

[Vonblund]

Jify... read my post again... OFF PEAK... not PEAK time when there are 700 people on.
OFF PEAK, has typically 200 odd players, with a good chunk of lvl 50 AFKs camping a raid target... a completely different situation to your 700 in peak time.

Benefits of global ooc in low pop times:
- Yes for finding groups for yourself or an alt.
- LFM.. that chanter who is trading town might no have his LFG flag on but could be interested to join a Magus group if he sees it advertised.
- Buying / selling, because with 200 people on server EC isn't really exciting
- General help / questions etc... with 200 people on, you are likely to be lonely in your zone, if you are not in one of the 6 or so zones that are the most popular or SOLB / Permafrost when Naggy/Vox are being camped.

Channels would help a lot. And why not have a global channel that is disabled when the population (in a perfect world it would actually be the non afk population) of the server reaches a certain limit.