2012 Presidential Debates

[hatelore]

Romney smoked that ass, imo. hah. Go grab horseface and ride off into the sunset obama [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[XgrimX]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xgrimx has now succumbed to "I have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation, so I will now post dumb memes" mode. Like I said, if you're an idiot then just accept it. I'm not judging you, just stay out of political conversations.

I was actually watching the debate.

[dredge]

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[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who won the debate?







The federal reserve.

+1

dredge kicks ass btw, tho i havent seen them in years. they used to play local shows around here all the time

[Lexical]

Okay, back to the debate.

Romney came out very strong in my opinion. I did not expect a return to his original virtues though I think it was shady to be running under a completely different platform from the get go. They presented their sides very intelligently and well, but Romney threw a curve ball and I don't think Obama was equipped enough to handle it.

Also, that moderator was one of the worst. You have to cut off the politicians or they keep rambling. Towards the end they just ended up shotgunning every issue simultaneously. Honestly though, both presidents should have to draft their argument in written form and send it to the other and then discussed because he said she said gets very old after 30 minutes.

Still, Romney surprised me. I still don't see a bright future for him, but it is definitely brighter than it was before the debate.
What is everyone's thoughts?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still, Romney surprised me. I still don't see a bright future for him, but it is definitely brighter than it was before the debate.
What is everyone's thoughts?

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who won the debate?







The federal reserve.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, back to the debate.

Romney came out very strong in my opinion. I did not expect a return to his original virtues though I think it was shady to be running under a completely different platform from the get go. They presented their sides very intelligently and well, but Romney threw a curve ball and I don't think Obama was equipped enough to handle it.

Also, that moderator was one of the worst. You have to cut off the politicians or they keep rambling. Towards the end they just ended up shotgunning every issue simultaneously. Honestly though, both presidents should have to draft their argument in written form and send it to the other and then discussed because he said she said gets very old after 30 minutes.

Still, Romney surprised me. I still don't see a bright future for him, but it is definitely brighter than it was before the debate.
What is everyone's thoughts?

Romney's got no chance in the election. It doesn't really matter what he says or does from here on out. First of all, there are a lot more likely voters that are Democrats. Second of all, Democrats have cornered the market on African-American, Hispanic, and gay voters. Romney would have to absolutely dominate amongst independent white voters to have any shot, and that's just not going to happen. He's polling at roughly 55% of white voters (Obama's at ~39) and 49% of independents (Obama's at ~41). He's got sizable leads in both demos, but that's not enough when Obama is getting 90+% of the African-American vote, 70+% of the Hispanic vote, and just under 70% of the gay vote.

Obama's a unique presidential candidate. He's pulling in super majorities of minority votes, and he's doing well enough with the elderly and college-aged white demographic to secure a sizable margin of victory. He's the first president I can think of that's really won by such drastic margins while getting beaten fairly badly in the "average Joe" white, middle aged vote. It's partly due to a shift in US demographics.

[XgrimX]

By the way- Romney came out swinging and really threw the president under the bus a few times and that really makes me laugh. He seems like has a grasp on economics. Much better then Obama. Like I said he wasn't my first but Obama has made some really stupid ass promises and decisions in the last four years.

[Daldolma]

They're not the only courses offered, but they're the courses pursued by the vast majority of American college students. There are 60,000 STEM graduates a year in the US, out of 1.75 million college graduates per year. That's about 3.5%. For everyone else, undergraduate coursework is a joke. It's virtually impossible to fail. As it relates to the professional world, college is a testing ground to prove that you're not too incompetent to read, write, meet deadlines, and not get expelled. Again, I'm painting in broad strokes. These are generalizations. If someone graduates from Harvard with a humanities degree, they're probably well prepared for a good number of jobs in a variety of fields. But most college kids don't go to Harvard.

I'd also quibble with the notion that undergraduate STEM degrees are all that much more difficult. The knowledge, and theoretically the grading, should be more absolute, but most STEM courses grade on curves that effectively set your difficulty at a peer-equivalence standing. Don't be the weakest in the herd and you pass.

But regardless of difficulty, I don't really see what your point is. That graduating with an engineering major is so difficult that you are entitled to a job within the field, by sheer virtue of the fact that you graduated with a degree in that field? Of course that's not true. Like any other field, you need to be competitive with your peers to get a quality job. But the world is not exactly closed off to STEM graduates. You're a college graduate, like everyone else -- you can get jobs in other fields, like everyone else. The point is that your degree doesn't really mean all that much. It's a good investment relative to not having a college degree, but it's no guarantee of the successful career path that college degrees used to ensure. And it's certainly no guarantee that you'll be able to pay off significant college loan money in any kind of reasonable time frame.

[FoxxHound]

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