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[deneauth]

I hear you on the hangover, I watched MSU lose one depressing game against Notre Dame last night while getting hammered and discussing RMT haha. I am not some crazy moral person who simplifies everything into rights or wrongs, by wrong I just simply meant against the rules. Eat some pancakes and drink some gatorade and feel better man. Talk to you later

[Barkingturtle]

RMT is wrong because the means for acquiring and growing the wealth of your character are all provided in-game. Essentially, RMT is analogous to employing third-party programs to influence the game in ways the developers did not intend. In this case, the third party program is "Putting on something other than your jizz-stained sweatpants and getting a fucking job".

[Safon]

Gotta agree that RMT letting shitty players get the best lewt/characters is lame. I like earning what I have in games, seeing scrubs (who may be great people otherwise, but still) sporting the same things that a skilled player has detracts heavily from a game, just in my opinion.

Don't have the freedom to put in the time? Well, that's life, it will happen to all of us sooner or later. I'm a student for now, and I really hope that once I'm graduated with a job I won't be buying up characters and gear with real money.

[Alawen]

All of these comments continue to manifest hyperbole and moral outrage. Let's look at this mathematically.

P99 platinum seems to sell for somewhere between $2 and $3 per 1K. This might be slightly off; I could only find one advertised price easily, so if someone wants to argue that it's higher or lower than that I don't really have a response.

Now let's outfit a character with best in slot droppables. This is very class dependent and melee characters will generally cost much more than casters and epic multiquests are available for quite a few characters. I have in mind items like Kunark breastplate and legs, hierophant's cloak, cloak of flames, runed bolster belt, manastone, cobalt bracer, fungi. Depending on class, the bill is going to be in the neighborhood of 300K to 600K, and it's very easy to go much higher than that. If we use an average of $2.50 per 1K, we're talking about $750 to $1500. That does not include the cost of a character or having one powerleveled.

It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in the history of the server, but does anyone actually think this is common? I don't think I've ever run into anyone like that. Furthermore, it's entirely possible for someone to farm that platinum on a caster and create a melee class which they are less than proficient with, so encountering such a character doesn't inherently reflect RMT.

I think the common scenario is much more like what I referenced earlier: some guy starts on the server by spending $50 or $100 to buy something like 20-50K platinum. This is certainly an advantage over rusty long sword, but it's not game-breaking. That'll buy some mid-range weapons and armor and a haste item or progress toward a full spell book.

The comparison to third party software is interesting. It's certainly an unequal advantage in the same way, but it doesn't significantly change actual game play, so that feeling of immersion is unchanged. I do not, however, expect that competence in game is strongly correlated with buying or not buying platinum. Plenty of people suck on their own and I've seen some really awful players get geared up by raid guilds because of class scarcity, persistence or luck.

I suspect that what's driving most of the indignation toward RMT is that people not as financially successful in life would like to have equal footing to compete for the top in this virtual environment. Unfortunately, I don't think life works that way. Money is, by definition, fungible. Rich kids get better equipment, more opportunities, private training, and countless other advantages in almost every activity except running, where naked Kenyans kick everyone's ass.

Personally, I think of this as playing with toys. If I'm into flying kites and Frank builds a really good kite and then sells it to Tim, I'm not going to get too upset that Tim's kite is better than mine. I could not give even half a shit if you have your epic and I don't.

Now sell me your hiero cloak.

[Tarathiel]

eq was not designed to be a pay to play game(until much much later) therefore any means of procuring pixels outside of the parameters set forth by verant (camp/raid, kill, loot) is not only bad for immersion but its bad for the in-game economy. if you dont care about that kind of shit, the just remember, its again the p99 server rules. i want to continue to play on this server, people who RMT put that at risk, and im sorry but i dont want to lose all the time ive invested into this server because some lazy asshole cant camp his items or lvl up his own toons like the rest of us

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eq was not designed to be a pay to play game(until much much later) therefore any means of procuring pixels outside of the parameters set forth by verant (camp/raid, kill, loot) is not only bad for immersion but its bad for the in-game economy. if you dont care about that kind of shit, the just remember, its again the p99 server rules. i want to continue to play on this server, people who RMT put that at risk, and im sorry but i dont want to lose all the time ive invested into this server because some lazy asshole cant camp his items or lvl up his own toons like the rest of us

The server has been online for almost three years now. As far as I can tell, there has been the same low level of RMT for that entire time. It might surprise to you to learn that some of the founding members of Inglourious Basterds voluntarily quit when RMT was banned more than two years ago. RMT has always been around and will always be around despite your hysterics and name-calling.

If a cease and desist letter shuts down P99, it will likely be due to intellectual property problems, either reverse engineering the server or theft of the client software. If that were going to happen, it probably would have happened by now. I suspect there are powers that be within Sony who look fondly on this project. Nilbog and his crew are making a reasonable effort to keep RMT at a minimum; it is very comparable to the efforts Sony made. Your hyperbole does not make your arguments any more cohesive or credible.

[Tarathiel]

and to be quite frank, alawen. your blind reasoning on this matter only makes you look like an RMTer trying to justify his own actions. stop playing rules lawyer for the shit bags that are dragging this server into the ground

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and to be quite frank, alawen. your blind reasoning on this matter only makes you look like an RMTer trying to justify his own actions. stop playing rules lawyer for the shit bags that are dragging this server into the ground

This post shows a complete lack of reasoning. You are very good at assumption and accusation....not so strong on thinking though.
Sad

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sad

lol that sad thing is you guys still havent caught on to the fact that im just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory

i guess i just let the cat out of the bag =p

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol that sad thing is you guys still havent caught on to the fact that im just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory

i guess i just let the cat out of the bag =p

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