FTE is Fing stupid

[quido]

Hey, just because I make my point in a clever and disparaging manner doesn't mean it's necessarily a troll!

[Itap]

Originally Posted by canker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate this argument. most TMO members have full time jobs or significant others/families to care about, just like everyone else. we do have some members that have slightly less responsibilities than the rest, but it's a large minority compared to the guild as a whole.

where we are different from most casual players/non-raiders is that we're able to balance our time in real life and in everquest to create a healthy compromise between the two. it's not a particularly easy thing to do, and some people just can't figure it out even with time. but to say that just because you or others have real life responsibilities that prevent people from experiencing end game content is just a weak and flimsy excuse. everyone does. it's about achieving balance between the things in your life.

as others have said, we also have players from all over the world. our majority are north american or european time based players, but we have players with different schedules and playtimes to ensure our guilds presence at all times of the day.

This post wasn't insinuating that TMO members "have no lives", it was more of a "how is it done". I'm well aware of balancing EQ and RL, I just wanted insight on how 1 guild controls an entire raid scene. Thanks for the info

[quido]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post wasn't insinuating that TMO members "have no lives"

BDA has their sanctimonious recruitment thread for that.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is Bregan D’Aerth For You?
Do you have a job?
Do you have a family?
Do you have a social life?
Did you answer yes to any or all of these questions? Congratulations, Bregan D’Aerth could be the guild for you!

Grats on your lives, guys

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, just because I make my point in a clever and disparaging manner doesn't mean it's necessarily a troll!

I want to sit in front of the same house for 96 hour's in costume with the hopes that another trick or treater doesnt jump out of the bushes ring the door bell first and get awarded all the candy

[quido]

That's a little thin!

[Knightt]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stop trolling this thread, damn

[quido]

I think it's kind of funny people put such a thread in Server Chat. The "you suck" in this is part of the argument from our side, part of our legitimate stance. You can't really blame us for sort of saying it in response to the proposition. I think the fact that I/we are avoiding being outright inflammatory is about all you can ask for on a touchy subject such as this.

[Acillatem]

Speaking strictly from the point of view of someone who has handled Rotation discussions in the past:

In order for a rotation to be warranted, 3 things need to happen:

* The rotation is fair for all parties involved.
* "Not having to poopsock" outweighs, or at least evens out the "loss of mobs" for the Guild(s) in primary control. In this case, Trak/VS, but also the ability to mobilize on OTHER mobs while camped out/socking.
* Does not eliminate "the thrill of the chase".

Look at past rotations that worked on P99 (Ragefire, VP, Trak). They met all 3 conditions and that is why they were successful. Enter BDA. Inconsistent competition outside of VS/Trak, and as far as competition on VS/Trak, unless I miscounted our DKP logs, you're shooting at roughly 20%.

*What you ask for is NOT fair to TMO at this point.

*A 1:4 win ratio on Trak/VS is not enough to put TMO in a position where a rotation is a better solution to camping at ledge or socking

*What you ask for eliminates too much of the chase (if limiting to Trak/VS then I would consider that acceptable - however I'm not in a position to make that decision)

*And tbh, BDA isn't to the point where TMO having a raid force camped out is detrimental to our performance on other mobs

Fix those 4 things, and then you at least put yourself in a position to suggest a rotation without so much backlash.

Velious is the big stink right now. On Live, if you were in a semi-casual guild - you knew that you had to wait your turn for content. You knew this going in and it wasn't a big deal. Kunark dropped and you got a little taste of Vanilla. Velious dropped and you got a taste of Kunark etc. It was never a huge issue becuz by the time a new expansion dropped, casuals were barely reaching max level etc of the previous expansion anyways so rarely was there this much "head butting" going on.

With this server maxing at Level 60, and Velious waaaaaaay behind schedule, and with us knowing ZEMs, and where to level, and PLs and twinkage etc....even casuals can be sitting at 60 (with an alt lol) and getting frustrated with the simple lack of something to do.

Compound that with the fact TMO still needs mobs like Draco and Maestro. We've had ONE BCG drop in the past TWO MONTHS - So it's not just for alts and shit like everyone "assumes".....these mobs still have items (in some cases BIS items) needed by MANY mains (not just a few people here and there).

[godbox]

^ best tag ever. i really hope you made that from scratch with ms paint or somethin =)

[Sprokets]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They only got 5, and not in a row.

Little details =P
Point is in February VD had taken most or alot of the trak kills and TMO still wouldn't consider a rotation. 6 VS kills ain't gonna break those cats.